Why Doesn’t Load Power Keep Increasing with Load Resistance?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between load resistance and load power in electrical circuits, particularly in the context of the maximum power transfer theorem. Participants explore why load power does not continue to increase as load resistance increases, despite the load voltage rising.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mixed

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the behavior of load power in relation to load resistance and question the implications of the maximum power transfer theorem. Some express uncertainty about the fixed nature of the source voltage and its impact on the theorem's applicability.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and affirmations regarding the original poster's understanding. There is a focus on clarifying concepts related to fixed source voltages and the behavior of circuits with reactive components. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, particularly concerning the conditions under which the maximum power transfer theorem applies.

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Participants note that the original question may be mis-stated and discuss the assumptions regarding the source voltage being fixed. There is also mention of the complexities introduced by reactive components in circuits.

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Homework Statement



"If the load voltage at the output of a circuit keeps going up as the load resistance is increased, why doesn’t the load power keep going up as well?"

Homework Equations



The maximum power transfer theorem states:
A load will receive maximum power from a network when its resistance is exactly equal to the Thevenin resistance of the network applied to the load. That is,

RL=Rth

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RL = Load resistance

PL = Power dissipated by load

Rth = Thevenin resistance

I_L=\frac{E_{th}}{R_{th}+R_L}=\frac{E_{th}}{R_{th}+R_{th}}=\frac{E_{th}}{2R_{th}}

P_{L_{max}}=I_{L}^{2}R_L=\left (\frac{E_{th}}{2R_{th}} \right )^{2}\left (R_{th} \right )=\frac{E_{th}^{2}R_{th}}{4R_{th}^{2}}=\frac{E_{th}^{2}}{4R_{th}}

The Attempt at a Solution



Here's how I answered this question.

The power *will* keep going up until RL = Rth. The graph of PL versus RL reaches a maximum (d/dRL = 0) at that point. Thereafter, PL will gradually decline as R approaches infinity.

R approaching infinity is analogous to an open circuit in which no current can flow. With no current flow, there can be no power.

That's how I answered the question, but I'm not fully satisfied with my answer. Maybe I'm actually not satisfied with the wording of the original question... A Thevenin voltage source wouldn't change; it would be fixed, right? Thus, this question is sort of mis-stated in my opinion.

Doesn't the maximum power transfer theorem assumes a fixed source voltage?
 
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I think your answer is fine. When the load resistance increases past the source resistance, less current flows through the load, reducing the power dissipated.

BTW, have you learned yet that for circuits with reactive components (like inductors and capacitors), the maximum power transfer occurs when the load impedance is the complex conjugate of the source impedance? When the circuit only has resistors, there is no imaginary component to the impedances, so maximum power is transferred when the resistances are equal.
 
berkeman said:
I think your answer is fine.

Thank you. I'm still curious whether the maximum power transfer theorem is applicable if the source voltage is allowed to increase. My understanding of a Thevenin circuit was that Eth was *fixed*.

berkeman said:
BTW, have you learned yet that for circuits with reactive components (like inductors and capacitors), the maximum power transfer occurs when the load impedance is the complex conjugate of the source impedance?

Berkeman, I haven't learned this yet. We just got into capacitors. I'm excited to learn about the M.P.T.T. for cases other than simply resistors!
 
JJBladester said:
Thank you. I'm still curious whether the maximum power transfer theorem is applicable if the source voltage is allowed to increase. My understanding of a Thevenin circuit was that Eth was *fixed*.

The source is usually a fixed value for these calculations. I'm not sure what it means for the source voltage to be "allowed" to increase. Sources are usually fixed, unless they have some strange behavior. They can be current limited, for example, as many real power supplies are. But that will result in a decrease in output voltage if the current limit is reached...
 
The initial statement of the problem said that the load voltage rises as the load resistance rises, which is perfectly true for even a fixed value of Eth; in the limit as RL approaches infinite resistance the load voltage approaches Eth.
 

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