Why Don't We Learn This Necessary Criterion for Series Convergence in School?

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The discussion revolves around the necessary criteria for the convergence of series, specifically examining the Cauchy definition of convergence and questioning why certain criteria are not taught in school. The scope includes theoretical aspects of series convergence and the implications of different conditions on convergence.

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  • One participant presents a necessary criterion for convergence derived from the Cauchy definition, stating that if the limit of n times the terms of the series approaches zero, then the series converges.
  • Another participant challenges this by noting that the criterion is limited to positive decreasing sequences and that the Divergence Test applies to all series.
  • A question is raised about the possibility of generalizing the criterion to any kind of series, including those with alternating terms.
  • Concerns are expressed regarding the difficulty of generalizing the Cauchy criterion into a necessary condition for convergence for series beyond those with positive, decreasing terms.
  • One participant suggests that it might be possible to generalize the criterion to series with positive terms that are not necessarily decreasing, but expresses uncertainty about proving this generalization.

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Participants express differing views on the applicability of the proposed criterion for convergence. There is no consensus on whether the criterion can be generalized to all types of series, indicating ongoing debate and uncertainty.

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The discussion highlights limitations in the proposed criterion, particularly its dependence on the nature of the series (e.g., positive and decreasing) and the challenges in extending it to more general cases. There are unresolved mathematical steps regarding the generalization of the criterion.

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Starting from the Cauchy definition of convergence of a series :

[tex]\forall N,\epsilon>0,\exists N_0 | k>N_0\Rightarrow |\underbrace{\sum_{n=1}^{N+k}u_n-\sum_{n=1}^k u_n}_A |<\epsilon[/tex]

rewriting A in terms and considering a positive decreasing sequence :

[tex]A\Rightarrow \epsilon>u_{N+k}+\ldots +u_{k+1}>Nu_{N+k}[/tex]

one finds by taking the limit another necessary criterion :

[tex]\lim_{n\to\infty}n u_n=0[/tex].

This implies for example that the harmonic series cannot converge.

My question is why we don't see this at school but only the condition [tex]u_n\to 0[/tex] ?
 
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You are imposing the additional restriction that you have a positive decreasing sequence. The "Divergence Test" that is taught in school applies to all series.
 
Do you think it's possible to generalize this to any kind of series ?
 
jk22 said:
Do you think it's possible to generalize this to any kind of series ?
Take the alternating harmonic series.
It converges.
But, it wouldn't, according to the simplest form of generalization of your criterion.
The upshot is that it probably is VERY difficult to generalize this Cauchy criterion into an independent necessary criterion for convergence for series of a more general type than those with positive, decreasing terms.
 
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Right.
I thought maybe it is possible to generalize to positive term series (not forcedly decreasing).

The sum of the terms then becomes : [tex]Nu_m[/tex] where u_m is the minimum of the terms between N+k and k, but then remains to prove that m tends towards N when N tends to infinity, but I have no idea how to do that.
 

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