Why don't we see super-symmetric particles?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the question of why supersymmetric particles have not been observed, even at high energy levels. Participants explore the implications of supersymmetry (SUSY) as a theoretical framework and the challenges associated with detecting its predicted particles.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that supersymmetry has not been experimentally verified, suggesting two possibilities: the SUSY scale is much higher than previously thought or that SUSY does not exist.
  • Several participants express a preference for the idea that SUSY does not exist, indicating a lack of confidence in the theory.
  • There is a suggestion that the spectrum of supersymmetric particles could be such that they are difficult to detect, particularly if certain particles are only slightly heavier than known particles, making them hard to distinguish from standard events.
  • One participant mentions that there is ongoing research, including a paper in preparation by an LHC experiment, which may provide insights into the mass region of interest for detecting supersymmetric particles.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally express skepticism about the existence of supersymmetric particles, with multiple competing views on the reasons for their non-detection. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the validity of supersymmetry as a theory.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the potential for the SUSY spectrum to be obscured by the characteristics of particle masses and detection challenges, indicating that assumptions about particle properties and detection methods may influence the discussion.

Rfael
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we can se many particles, also we can detect and produce antimatter

however my question is why even at high energies we can not see any supersymmetric partner of a particle ?
 
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Supersymmetry is not an experimentally verified theory. There are two possibilities:

1 The SUSY scale is significantly higher than many would have argued before LHC or otherwise hidden.
2 SUSY does not exist.
 
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I vote for 2.
 
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Meir Achuz said:
I vote for 2.
If only it was a voting game ... :wink:
 
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Vote early and vote often.

There is also the possibility that the spectrum is such that it is just too hard to see. For example, if you had a stop squark just a little heavier than the top quark and only a moderately heavy LSP, you'd produce a few percent extra events that looked like top-antitiop, possibly with a smidgen more missing energy. Hard to spot and very hard to spot if you aren't specifically looking for it,
 
Vanadium 50 said:
There is also the possibility that the spectrum is such that it is just too hard to see.
I tried to include things like this in 1 with the ”otherwise hidden” to not make it too long … 🤔
 
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While there is a whole cottage industry of people who propose hiding places - an industry of which I am not part - having a stop mass near the top mass has some desirable features. Apart from being difficult to disprove. It's not just hard to find.

There is a paper in preparation by one of the LHC experiments that may soon shed some light on this region. Maybe in a month or two it will be in print.
 
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