Why Haven't We Sent a Probe Into Jupiter's Depths?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the challenges and considerations of sending a probe into the depths of Jupiter. Participants explore engineering capabilities, costs, potential scientific returns, and previous missions related to Jupiter's atmosphere and structure.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the inability to send a probe into Jupiter's depths may be primarily due to cost issues, while others question the engineering feasibility of creating a probe that can withstand extreme pressures.
  • One participant proposes that a small probe with a diamond casing or a buckeyball structure could potentially withstand the pressures found in Jupiter's atmosphere.
  • Another participant argues that the technical challenge of creating pressure vessels is manageable, citing existing technology capable of withstanding over 1000 bar pressure, but emphasizes that cost is a significant barrier.
  • There is a discussion about the scientific value of such a mission, with one participant questioning what could be learned from probing Jupiter's depths.
  • Participants reference the current understanding of Jupiter's structure, noting uncertainties about its core composition and the properties of materials at extreme depths.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the actual pressures and temperatures at Jupiter's core, suggesting that reaching such depths would be extremely challenging.
  • Another participant humorously suggests that fear of discovering unexpected phenomena could be a reason for not sending a probe, while also proposing that exploring Jupiter's moons might be more worthwhile.
  • A participant recalls the Galileo probe, which entered Jupiter's atmosphere and was destroyed during descent, noting its historical significance in the context of the discussion.
  • One idea presented is to send a blimp to float in Jupiter's upper atmosphere, although concerns about high winds are acknowledged.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of views regarding the feasibility and desirability of sending a probe to Jupiter's depths. While some agree on the cost as a significant factor, others raise questions about the engineering challenges and scientific value, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight uncertainties regarding the exact pressures and temperatures at various depths within Jupiter, as well as the unknowns surrounding the core's composition and material properties.

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Is it simply a cost issue that we haven't sent a probe into the depths of Jupiter that can withstand the pressure, or are we just not capable of engineering something that can handle it?

I realize that the pressures are far more immense than they are anywhere on Earth, but it seems like the answer would be to go as small as possible. Perhaps a diamond casing or something like that. Maybe some sort of giant buckeyball.
 
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Cost is the sole factor in almost every decision not to do something. The pressure of the atmosphere in Jupiter isn't that immense, if you wanted to go down into the planet then there would be issues.

The technical challenge to make something to withstand the pressure is easy peasy, we can make pressure vessels that can go basically to the bottom of the ocean, that's over 1000 bar pressure. The problem simply comes down to cost, it's very expensive to make things do this.

But to what end? We'd be lauching and sending something that's going to be pretty heavy. What would be hope to learn?
 
Detect life on Jupiter :P
 
xxChrisxx said:
But to what end? We'd be lauching and sending something that's going to be pretty heavy. What would be hope to learn?

From wiki:
Jupiter is thought to consist of a dense core with a mixture of elements, a surrounding layer of liquid metallic hydrogen with some helium, and an outer layer predominantly of molecular hydrogen.[27] Beyond this basic outline, there is still considerable uncertainty. The core is often described as rocky, but its detailed composition is unknown, as are the properties of materials at the temperatures and pressures of those depths (see below).
 
Cyosis said:
From wiki:
Jupiter is thought to consist of a dense core with a mixture of elements, a surrounding layer of liquid metallic hydrogen with some helium, and an outer layer predominantly of molecular hydrogen.[27] Beyond this basic outline, there is still considerable uncertainty. The core is often described as rocky, but its detailed composition is unknown, as are the properties of materials at the temperatures and pressures of those depths (see below).

Hmm, you are starting to talk about pressures that probably are unfeasable then. I'm not auctally sure how high the pressure and temperature would be at those extreme depths, as you are basically talking about going to a core of the planet.

But something to decend through the upper atmosphere and down through the planet 'body' would be no problem you could probably get to a couple of hundered km below the 'surface' of the planet. Getting towards core depths is... tricky, very tricky.
 
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Perhaps the issue is the fear of discovering monoliths? :wink:

Really, if we get a probe there, why not explore some of the more interesting moons instead?
 
There was a Jupiter probe that entered the atmosphere and descended to the point where pressure destroyed it. The name of the probe was Galileo and it was launched in 1989. It was destroyed during descent in September? of 2003. I don't remember off-hand how deep into the atmosphere it got but it decended for almost an hour.
I bet that NASA has the mission in its archives.
 
I always thought it would be cool to send a little blimp to Jupiter and let it float around in the upper atmosphere taking readings and such. It'd be subject to some pretty high winds though.
 

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