Why / How do we feel heat from the sun

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The discussion revolves around understanding how we perceive heat from the sun, particularly in relation to atmospheric conditions and the mechanisms of heat transfer. Participants explore the concepts of solar radiation, temperature variations, and the interaction between the Earth's surface and atmosphere.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how the surface of the Earth can be hot when temperatures in space are much colder, suggesting an indirect heating mechanism involving the atmosphere.
  • Another participant asserts that sunlight directly heats surfaces and can power solar arrays, indicating that the energy from sunlight is significant.
  • A participant proposes that the sunlight heats both the atmosphere and the Earth's surface simultaneously, leading to a complex exchange of heat.
  • One contributor shares a personal experience in a hypobaric chamber to illustrate how heat transfer mechanisms differ in thin air, emphasizing the role of thermal infrared radiation.
  • Another participant notes that in space, one would feel extreme temperatures due to the lack of an atmosphere, highlighting the difference between conduction and radiation in heat transfer.
  • It is mentioned that human perception of temperature is related to changes in thermal energy rather than the absolute temperature of the environment, requiring consideration of both conduction and radiation.
  • A participant calculates the solar radiance at Earth's distance from the sun and discusses the significant amount of heat received by a human body exposed to sunlight.
  • There is a clarification that while visible light is important for solar panels, it is primarily infrared radiation that contributes to heating the Earth and individuals.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints regarding the mechanisms of heat transfer from the sun, with some agreeing on the role of solar radiation while others emphasize different aspects of heat exchange. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views on the topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of heat transfer mechanisms, including conduction and radiation, and the influence of atmospheric conditions on temperature perception. There are assumptions about the nature of solar radiation and its effects that are not fully explored.

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Why / How do we feel heat from the sun
Probably a silly question and a simple one for yourselves which I can't figure out myself. Hopefully I can explain it properly.

Lets say I am standing on the equator and the sun is directly overhead. I am probably in the middle of a desert and it's around 50 degress centigrade. Assuming I could fly, as I fly upwards through the atmosphere towards the sun I would get colder and assuming I am 200 miles up, I assume I would measure the heat of space as a few degress K as most of space is?

If 200 miles up I feel little heat, then how is it the surface of the planet is as hot as it is. I am assuming it's something to do with heating air in the atmosphere, but if outside the atmosphere is so cold, how did the heat get to the surface? It surely cannot be a gradual trapping of solar radiation otherwise there would not be such big temeprature variations between night and day.

It must be an interaction between some kind of solar radiation and it's interaction with the atmosphere, but this must be some kind of "indirect" heat as opposed to feeling the sun heat "directly" otherwise I would feel hot when i fly out of the atmosphere.
 
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It's the sunlight. It can power solar arrays and it can heat up a dark surface very quickly.
Here's a link for some details: Wiki Solar Irradiance

I would also note that satellites orbiting the Earth are also warmed by the sun - and the difference in temperature between the dark and sunlit side of a satellite is an engineering issue - as is a low-orbiting satellites rapid transition to night and day and night and day...
 
So the sunlight heats the surface, and the surface radiates that heat into the atmosphere? Or it heats both at the same time?

I guess I am just seriously underestimating the amount of energy provided by the sunlight.

So by that token, 200 miles up I do not feel any heat as there is no medium for the energy in the sunlight to be transferred to then I assume.
 
The sun heats the atmosphere and the Earth's surface. The Earth's surface and its atmosphere exchange heat - through conductance and radiance. When you bundle up against a frigid wind, you are more concerned with heat conduction directly from the surface of your skin to the air than you are with radiance.

Speaking of "flying out of the atmosphere", I suppose I did that once - at least as a simulation. It was a hypobaric chamber exercise. The air was rapidly vented from the chamber I was into simulate the rapid decompression that can occur with high-flying jet aircraft. It immediately became foggy and the temperature dropped to about -40F. I was in a tee shirt - but it was not uncomfortable. The air was too thin to have a strong affect through conduction and the walls of the chamber were still at room temperature. So I was still getting thermal infrared radiance from those walls.
 
You do feel heat from sun's radiation, so in Earth's orbit in direct sunlight you would actually fell around 100°C or more. Go into some shade however and you would freeze. Space is a really good insulator and heat can only escape through radiation and not conduction as here on Earth (where there's an atmosphere). That's why you need a pressurized space suit to not be cooked or turned into an ice cubicle.

Here on Earth the story is of course different.
Check this for further insight:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth's_energy_budget
 
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Our bodies are not directly sensitive to the temperature of the environment. What we feel as hot or cold, are changes in the in/out thermal energy budget, with a constraint to maintain a constant body temperature, roughly speeking. As mentioned in above posts, you can exchange the heat with environment either by conduction or by radiation, so both of these mechanisms have to be accounted.
 
At the Earth's distance from the sun the solar radiance is about 1.36 kw/m^2. An average human body has a surface area of 1.6 to 1.9 m^2; so if you full face the sun (exposing 0.8 m^2) your body would be receiving nearly 1 kw -- and that's a lot of heat.
 
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Summary:: Why / How do we feel heat from the sun

Probably a silly question and a simple one for yourselves which I can't figure out myself. Hopefully I can explain it properly.....

.Scott said:
It's the sunlight. It can power solar arrays and it can heat up a dark surface very quickly.

sunlight ( visible ) for solar panels but that isn't what is heating you up. It's mainly infrared radiation that is heating
you and the Earth up not the visible light
 

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