Why is Dark Matter More Noticeable Near Galaxies Than Elsewhere?

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The discussion centers on the visibility and detection of dark matter, particularly why it appears more noticeable near galaxies compared to other regions. Participants explore concepts related to the distribution of dark matter, its gravitational effects, and the challenges in detecting it through laboratory experiments or observational methods.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that dark matter is more noticeable near galaxies because it clumps together under its own gravity, influencing the distribution of normal matter.
  • Others argue that the low density of dark matter, which does not form dense objects like stars or planets, makes it difficult to detect its gravitational effects in local environments.
  • A participant compares dark matter to a large cloud of hydrogen gas, suggesting that just as the gravity of such a cloud is hard to detect due to its spread-out nature, the same applies to dark matter within galaxies.
  • One participant questions whether dark matter has been tentatively discovered and inquires about specific detection methods, such as ammonia tank detectors.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature and detectability of dark matter, with no consensus reached on the specifics of its detection or properties.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the density and distribution of dark matter, as well as the limitations of current detection methods, which remain unresolved.

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if there is dark matter every where, why it is noticed near galaxies? why can't we do some very sensitive lab experiments of gravity to find the effect of dark matter?
 
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jayaramas said:
if there is dark matter every where, why it is noticed near galaxies?

Because there is more of it near galaxies. Or rather, the galaxies themselves form where the dark matter clumps together under its own gravity, because the gravity of the dark matter causes normal matter to "pool" there as well.

jayaramas said:
why can't we do some very sensitive lab experiments of gravity to find the effect of dark matter?

Because it isn't very dense. Sure, most of the mass of a galaxy is probably in its dark matter halo, but it doesn't appear to clump into dense objects like stars and planets. When you spread out all that mass across the vast amount of empty space available in and around a galaxy the density becomes much too low for one to notice any local gravitational effects that might exist.
 
Jay, consider a very large cloud of Hydrogen gas in the galaxy. The combined mass of this gas is easily 1000 times more than our Sun. As you are passing through this cloud you would barely be able to detect the gravity because the density of the cloud is very small and it is all around you. Only by measuring things such as a star passing by the cloud would you notice the gravity because it is being pulled towards you. Similarly dark matter is spread out all around the galaxy instead of being clumped together, so we have a very difficult time detecting it within our own galaxy. When we look at other galaxies we can see the large scale effect because we are outside of that galaxies dark matter and can see things such as gravitational lensing and the rotation of the stars in the galaxy.
 
Has dark matter been tentatively discovered?, is it 3 phase? Can someone confirm what I read about the ammonia tank detectors a while back?
 

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