Why Is English the Only Compulsory Subject in Years 11 and 12 in Australia?

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The discussion revolves around the compulsory nature of English as a subject in Years 11 and 12 in Australia, questioning its relevance and effectiveness compared to other subjects like Mathematics and Science. Participants explore the curriculum's focus on literary analysis versus practical language skills, and the implications for students pursuing careers in STEM fields.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses frustration that English focuses on literary analysis rather than practical skills like writing and grammar, questioning its necessity for future careers.
  • Another participant contrasts the Australian system with the American education system, noting that multiple subjects are mandatory in the U.S., suggesting a lack of sympathy for the Australian perspective.
  • A participant argues that clear communication is essential, implying that English skills will be needed in the future, despite the current curriculum's shortcomings.
  • Concerns are raised about the grading system in English, where some students perform well despite poor writing skills, indicating a perceived decline in educational standards.
  • One participant suggests that English classes should focus more on grammar and language rules rather than subjective interpretations of texts.
  • Another participant reflects positively on their own English education, stating that it taught critical thinking and effective communication, contrasting with the experiences shared by others.
  • There is a claim that compulsory education is inherently flawed, as true understanding comes from voluntary engagement with the material.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the effectiveness and necessity of the English curriculum, with no clear consensus. Some argue for a complete overhaul of the subject, while others defend its importance for developing critical skills.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight various limitations in the current English syllabus, including a lack of focus on practical writing skills and the perceived irrelevance of literary analysis. There is also mention of differing educational standards and expectations between countries.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to educators, students considering their subject choices, and individuals involved in curriculum development, particularly in the context of English education in high school.

  • #31
You don't have to put a full stop in at the end of a quote or a passage of speech I think e.g.

Adam walked along the path where he met suzy 'Hi suzy'

'Hi Adam'

'What's knew'

'not much'

or as Einstein said "God does not play dice with the universe"

I believe it's because the quotes already denote a start or finish break such as a comma bracket or full stop( it's the same reason you don't put a full stop at the End of a bracket, I think) See.

AFAIK anyway but then I've never been accused of writing good English so I really wouldn't know. This thread has turned into US/UK English 101. Good work :smile:
 
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  • #32
who speaks beter american?
clasic bad joke coming up
i am fluent in 2 languages, english and bad inglish.

sory i had to put it

im absolutly crap at english, but that's cause i have dyspraxia, me complaining about my self again, oh no.

actualy Mr Shrodinger's Dog, you are wrong, they do need punctuation at the end of the sentence. even with quotes and brackets
 
  • #33
In that case I'm glad I don't hold with the convention as it's just a waste of my time, or it's just a waste of ink :smile:

"Never stand up if you can sit down, never sit down if you can lie down" My chemistry teacher used to say that, KISS.
 
  • #34
same here

unfortunatley my spelin doesn't hold up either
 
  • #35
Soilwork said:
omnipotent: Pronounced as omni - potent
When I read, the little voice in my head always says omni-potent. Like when I read Euler. You-ler.

Of course I say it the right way.
 
  • #36
I am doing 3 unit math all sciences, (plus 1 unit studies of religion but that came with extension 1 math to make 2 units) and advanced english.
I hate english, it makes no sense logically, there are few if any career prospects plus it drags down people like me.
There was a kid in my year group who was very smart but chose to focus on "humanities" (history and whatnot), he only does general math but he could have done none, he got to specialise in his area but i have 1/6 of my units useless!

ANyway english teachers are running the biggest fraud/scam ever, their job includes pulling abstract meanings out of text that the aurthor never intended! For crying out loud maybe he/she wrote the damn thing so people would enjoy it, buy it and make them money. How ******* stupid are people!
 
  • #37
Wow. I would say education is not solely about learning practical skills. It is a good thing to be able to interpret meaning, abstract, and ponder human existence in general. Good authors do intentionally put multiple layers of meaning into stories. I would say classes that analyze literature are really about the analysis of human life. The ability to analyze art, and agree or disagree with an interpretation, as well as think about the ideas contained there in, can give you insight into your own life and the lives of others. There is certainly a point where one can choose not to learn this anymore, but I think some exposure to it helps young people to become more fully realized individuals.
 
  • #38
You're lucky. If you were in China, they'd make you take Chinese.
 
  • #39
dansydney said:
compuslory
anymore
grammar
lenghty
to badly
im

That's why.

Oh wow, nice old thread...
 

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