Why is everything in the Solar system on a flat plane?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the arrangement of celestial bodies in the Solar System, specifically why planets orbit in a relatively flat plane, known as the ecliptic. Participants explore the implications of gravitational and rotational dynamics on the formation of this planar structure, while also considering the characteristics of other objects like comets and the Oort cloud.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that all planets orbit in the same plane, likening it to a flat plate, but this is challenged by others who note that orbits are inclined to some degree.
  • Some participants propose that the initial cloud from which the Sun and planets formed flattened due to gravitational forces and rotation.
  • There is mention of the inclination of orbits, with specific reference to Pluto's significant tilt compared to the ecliptic.
  • Another participant refers to a previous discussion on the same topic, indicating that the proto-solar system was a flat swirling disk, which would influence the orbits of bodies within it.
  • Questions are raised about the shape of the Oort cloud, with one participant stating it is roughly spherical but suggesting that its innermost part may also be planar.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the exact nature of planetary orbits and the implications of their inclinations. While there is some agreement on the influence of gravitational and rotational dynamics, the discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of orbital inclinations and the characteristics of the Oort cloud.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that while major planets have orbits close to the ecliptic, there are significant exceptions, such as Pluto. The discussion also highlights the complexity of celestial mechanics and the influence of gravitational interactions on the shapes of various structures in the Solar System.

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Everything is on the same plane, and I was wondering why. I mean like, if you laid a reallllly flat and thin plate out, then everything rotating around the sun would fall in that, I mean the planets, not comets or whatever.
 
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That's not exactly true - while planets orbits do lie close to ecliptic, they are all more or less inclined.

From what I remember initial cloud from which Sun and planets formed get flat as a result of gravitation and rotation.
 
This question was asked just a couple of days ago. See [thread=441523]this thread[/thread] and my response in [post=2951827]post #2[/post].
 
Borek said:
That's not exactly true - while planets orbits do lie close to ecliptic, they are all more or less inclined.
From what I remember initial cloud from which Sun and planets formed get flat as a result of gravitation and rotation.

Agreed ... Tho the major planets are within a couple of deg of the ecliptic, pluto is 17.14 deg. Most comets and many of the asteroids have highly inclined orbits.

Dave
 
D H said:
This question was asked just a couple of days ago. See [thread=441523]this thread[/thread] and my response in [post=2951827]post #2[/post].

The direct answer is a referal that says that the proto solar system was a a flat swirling disk. I guess it's clear that such a disk would attract down to it anything above or below it. I guess it's also clear that any rotating cloud in space would tend to form a disk because it would extend along the line of its equator (even the Earth is a little fat).

What shape is the Oort cloud?
 
AC130Nav said:
What shape is the Oort cloud?
The Opik-Oort cloud is roughly spherical. The members of the Oort cloud have, in many instance, been ejected from the solar system by gravitational interaction with Jupiter or the other giants. Since the ejection can be in any direction they tend to form such a sphere. I think there is some thought that the innermost part of the cloud is also planar, like the rest of the system.
 

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