Why is gluon's representation 8 in ##SU(3)_c## and not 1?

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The discussion revolves around the representation of gluons in the context of the SU(3) color gauge theory, specifically addressing why gluons are represented by 8 states rather than 1. The scope includes theoretical aspects of group representations and their implications in particle physics.

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  • Some participants note that the representation of quarks is 3 and antiquarks is ##\bar{3}##, leading to the decomposition ##3\otimes \bar{3} = 8\oplus 1##, raising the question of why gluons are represented by 8 instead of 1.
  • One participant explains that in an SU(3) theory, there are 8 colored gluons because there are ##N^2-1## linearly independent states, which correspond to the colors, and that the singlet state (1) is colorless and occurs when gluons pair up.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the gauge field being in the adjoint representation is fundamental to gauge theory, linking it to the 8 generators of the SU(3) group.
  • A later reply challenges the previous assertion about color confinement, clarifying that SU(3) has 8 generators that do not include a color singlet, and that the decomposition of representations can yield a trivial representation but does not imply the existence of a colorless gluon.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of the SU(3) representation and the nature of color confinement, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

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I understand that because the rep. of quark is 3 and antiquark is ##\bar{3}## and we have ##3\otimes \bar{3} = 8\oplus 1##, that a gluon should be 8 or 1, but which one? and why?

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By ##SU(3)_c## you mean 'colored' correct? If so, there are 8 colored gluons because in an ##SU(3)## theory, there are ##N^2-1## linearly independent states, which in this case are the colors. The ##\oplus 1## indicates a color singlet state which is 'colorless'. I'm pretty sure singlet states only occur when two gluons pair up and cancel color out to make a hadron. The group representation of ##SU(3)## mathematically includes this ninth colorless state but gluons can't be colorless on their own which is why (Theory of Color Confinement) we've never seen a lone gluon.

If you can worm your way through it, the Wikipedia page on gluons is pretty cool, as is this site, which takes a matrix-math look at the underlying group theory which may help you. Hope this helped and best of luck!
 
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I would say the fact that the gauge field is in the adjoint representation is more fundamental to gauge theory than the fact that some fermions happen to transform according to the fundamental representation. It boils down to the group SU(3) itself having 8 generators.
 
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The group representation of SU(3)SU(3)SU(3) mathematically includes this ninth colorless state but gluons can't be colorless on their own which is why (Theory of Color Confinement) we've never seen a lone gluon.
This is not really what colour confinement says. By definition of an SU(3) gauge theory, it has 8 generators that transform according to the adjoint representation. This does not include a color singlet, if you added the identity you would get U(3) and not SU(3) so SU(3) does not include a colourless gluon. However, when considering how other fields transform, for example the product ##3 \otimes \bar 3##, the resulting representation needs to be decomposed into irreps and of course such decompositions can contain the trivial representation (in the example ##3\otimes \bar 3 = 8 \otimes 1##).
 
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