Why is it that in general geodesics are paths of stationary character

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In the discussion, participants explore why geodesics in general relativity are characterized as paths of "stationary character" rather than strictly minimum paths. The concept of extremum is emphasized, indicating that the functional derivative must equal zero, allowing for both minimum and maximum scenarios. Additionally, clarification is provided regarding the differentiation of the term dxm/ds in equation 11.16, where it is noted that the entire combination must be treated as a variable during differentiation.

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Well since the denizens of the relativity forum don't like me, I thought I might ask here see if I get better replies.1) Why is it that in general geodesics are paths of "stationary character" rather than minimum?

2) http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/3280/math30016nx.jpg

I can't quite follow equation 11.16. Specifically how they differentiate dxm/ds in the denominator.
Shouldn't be necessary, but for reference, the following page is http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/6488/math30024mk.jpg" .
 
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Thrice said:
Well since the denizens of the relativity forum don't like me, I though I might ask here see if I get better replies.
They have been mean?

1) Why is it that in general geodesics are paths of "stationary character" rather than minimum?
They impose that it's an extremum (functional derivative is zero) so it could be either a min or a max.

2) http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/3280/math30016nx.jpg

I can't quite follow equation 11.16. Specifically how they differentiate dxm/ds in the denominator.
Shouldn't be necessary, but for reference, the following page is http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/6488/math30024mk.jpg" .

They do not differentiate dxm/ds..they differentiate with respect to dxm/ds. You must treat the *entire* combination dxm/ds as your variable and differentiate with respect to it (So, calling the variable x, L is essentially {\sqrt{ g_{kn} x^k x^n}}).

Pat
 
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No they weren't mean. They just gave me the silent treatment.

Thanks. It's a lot clearer now.
 

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