Why is linear algebra essential in understanding quantum mechanics?

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The discussion revolves around the necessity of linear algebra, particularly concepts related to abstract spaces like Hilbert and Banach spaces, in understanding quantum mechanics (QM). Participants explore the relationship between mathematical frameworks and their application to physical reality, questioning the foundational role of these mathematical structures in the formulation of quantum theories.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that advanced QM textbooks begin with linear algebra to facilitate the use of calculus techniques, suggesting that these mathematical tools simplify the modeling of physical phenomena.
  • One participant argues that the properties of Hilbert spaces, such as the convergence of Cauchy sequences, are essential for applying certain mathematical theorems, which may not hold in general vector spaces.
  • Another participant questions the alignment of "physical reality" with abstract mathematical concepts, implying a degree of serendipity in their applicability to physics.
  • It is proposed that common calculus is insufficient to capture the complexities of physical reality, necessitating the use of more advanced mathematical frameworks like functional analysis.
  • A participant emphasizes that physicists often rely on established mathematical methods without questioning their validity, as these methods are typically proven to be consistent and yield unique results.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the necessity and implications of using abstract mathematical concepts in physics. While some see the need for advanced mathematics as essential, others question the relationship between mathematics and physical reality, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in common calculus for addressing physical phenomena, suggesting that more sophisticated mathematical structures are required. However, the specific assumptions and definitions underlying these claims are not fully explored.

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Hello!

I have noticed that most advanced textbooks on QM start the development of the subject with a long review of linear algebra. In particular, they talk about pre-Banach, Banach, pre-Hilbert, Hilbert spaces and so on. Why is it necessary to invoke such abstract spaces in order to describe the physical reality? I mean, for example, why do you need that every Cauchy sequence converges within the space to have something physically meaningful?
 
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luisgml_2000 said:
I have noticed that most advanced textbooks on QM start the development of the subject with a long review of linear algebra. In particular, they talk about pre-Banach, Banach, pre-Hilbert, Hilbert spaces and so on. Why is it necessary to invoke such abstract spaces in order to describe the physical reality? I mean, for example, why do you need that every Cauchy sequence converges within the space to have something physically meaningful?

This is a bit like asking why we use the real numbers in physics,
instead of just using rationals. (The reals are defined via Cauchy
sequences of rationals.)

The short answer is that building models of physics is often
made easier if we accept the help that differential/integral
calculus techniques offer.

To benefit from calculus-like techniques in quantum physics,
one needs more advanced mathematical machinery like
the things you mentioned.
 
I was thinking what Strangerep said. If we use a vector space that isn't a Hilbert space, we wouldn't be able to use the mathematical theorems about Hilbert spaces. For example, the theorem that says that given an arbitrary vector x and a subspace V, there's's a unique way to express x as the sum of a vector in V and a vector that's orthogonal to V. The proof of that uses the fact that Cauchy sequences are convergent, so I don't expect it to be valid for general vector spaces.
 
Why is it necessary to invoke such abstract spaces in order to describe the physical reality?

Why does "physical reality" match ANY (man made) mathematics?? I think we lucked out...so far.
 
luisgml_2000 -> The reason is that "physical reality" cannot be fully captured by "common" calculus (on manifolds). You need something more. And this something more turns out to be the mathematics of Hilbert spaces. (Functional analysis in general, to be more precise.) And thinking of quantum gravity, we might even need something more.

Another reason is the following. Most of the physicists involved in (phenomenological) exploration of "physical reality" use some "mathematical method" to do so. And these methods frequently have the taste of a "recipe". That is, "if you find this and that equation apply this particular technique and the results you'll get will be good". Essentially no one questions the validity of the "method". And the reason they are "allowed" not to question the validity of the method is because (most often) someone else has, and has proved that the specific method is, for instance, (a) consistent with the general framework and (b) yields a unique answer. And to prove this kind of results you need precise mathematical concepts because they are just mathematical results devoid of any physical meaning.

So the short answer is, you need that to make sure everything works as it intuitively should. And when it doesn't, to tell me why and how does it work instead.

(Don't know about the others, but to me advanced maths frequently isn't really that intuitive... :) )
 

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