Why Is My Approach to Calculating Moment of Inertia Change Incorrect?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the change in the length of the day due to the melting of polar ice caps and its effect on Earth's moment of inertia. The problem involves concepts from rotational dynamics and the moment of inertia of different mass distributions.

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Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster presents a calculation for the moment of inertia before and after the melting of ice, expressing disagreement with the provided solution. They propose an alternative method for calculating the final moment of inertia.
  • Some participants question the validity of including the mass of the ice in the final moment of inertia calculation and discuss the implications of using different mass values.
  • There is a discussion about the significance of the mass ratio and its effect on the final results, with participants exploring whether the difference in calculations is meaningful.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants actively debating the correctness of the approaches to calculating the moment of inertia. Some guidance has been offered regarding the comparison of different methods, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the assumption that the mass of the ice does not contribute to the moment of inertia, which is a point of contention in the discussion. There is also a focus on the significance of small differences in calculated time changes relative to the total length of a day.

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Homework Statement


The polar ice caps contain about 2.3*10^19 kg of ice. This mass contributes essentially nothing to the moment of inertia of Earth because it is located at the poles, close to the axis of rotation. Because of Global warming, all the ice has melted and formed a uniform coat of water around the surface of the Earth. Calculate the change in the length of the day.

Given:
Mass of Earth = 5.98*10^24 kg
Radius of Earth = 6370 km
1 day = 86400s

Homework Equations


I of shell of sphere = 2/3*M*R^2
I of solid sphere = 2/5*M*R^3

The Attempt at a Solution


Actually, I have the solution to the problem, however, I don't agree with the solution, so I would like to know what you guys think.

Given Answer:
Assuming that Earth is a sphere before and after the melting of ice, and that the mass of Earth is M, the mass of ice is m, the radius of Earth is R, then we can formulate the following equation:

Initial I = 2/5*M*R^2
Final I = 2/3*m*R^2 + 2/5*M*R^2
Initial Time = 86400s
Final time to (Final I)/(Initial I)*T -T = 0.55s

However, I don't agree with the part for the calculation of the final I. I think it should be:

2/3*m*R^2 + 2/5*(M-m)*R^2

This is because you cannot count the mass twice in my opinion. However, they said that the ice does not contribute to the moment of inertia, so I am not sure how you go around handling this :(
 
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Hi simpleton! :smile:

(try using the X2 tag just above the Reply box :wink:)
simpleton said:
The polar ice caps contain about 2.3*10^19 kg of ice.

Mass of Earth = 5.98*10^24 kg

However, I don't agree with the part for the calculation of the final I. I think it should be:

2/3*m*R^2 + 2/5*(M-m)*R^2

This is because you cannot count the mass twice in my opinion. However, they said that the ice does not contribute to the moment of inertia, so I am not sure how you go around handling this :(

Yes, we have to compare 2/5*(M-m)*R2 before with 2/3*m*R2 + 2/5*(M-m)*R2 after …

but the ratio m/M is about 10-5, so does it really make any difference whether we use (M-m) or just M, to 2 or 3 sig figs? :wink:
 
Yes it does.

If I use the sample method, I get 0.55s. If I use my method, I get 0.22s.

And you said that we need to compare 2/5*(M-m)*R2 before with 2/3*m*R2 + 2/5*(M-m)*R2 after …

But that does not make sense as well. The mass is different :(.
 
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simpleton said:
Yes it does.

If I use the sample method, I get 0.55s. If I use my method, I get 0.22s.

And you said that we need to compare 2/5*(M-m)*R2 before with 2/3*m*R2 + 2/5*(M-m)*R2 after …

But that does not make sense as well. The mass is different :(.

(just got up :zzz: …)

But the answer is 5m/3(M - m) … how can an error ~ 10-5 make such a large difference? :confused:

(and the mass of the sphere beforehand is M-m, isn't it?)
 
Well, a day consist of 86400s, and 0.55s or 0.22s is around 10^-5 of 86400, so it does make a difference.

Anyway, if you don't believe me, here are the workings below:

Given Answer:

(Final I)/(Initial I)*T -T

= ( 2/3*m*R^2 + 2/5*M*R^2) / ( 2/5*M*R^2 ) * T - T
= (((((2 / 3) * 2.3 * (10^19) * (6 370 000^2)) + ((2 / 5) * 5.98 * (10^24) * (6 370 000^2))) / ((2 / 5) * 5.98 * (10^24) * (6 370 000^2))) * 86 400) - 86 400
= 0.553846154s

My Answer:

(Final I)/(Initial I)*T -T

= ( 2/3*m*R^2 + 2/5*(M-m)*R^2) / ( 2/5*M*R^2 ) * T - T

=(((((2 / 3) * 2.3 * (10^19) * (6 370 000^2)) + ((2 / 5) * ((5.98 * (10^24)) - (2.3 * (10^19))) * (6 370 000^2))) / ((2 / 5) * 5.98 * (10^24) * (6 370 000^2))) * 86 400) - 86 400
= 0.221538462

And tiny-tim, your answer is actually the same as the sample answer given if you multiply your answer (6.41028107 × 10^-6) by 86400. If you express your answer in days, it does not make a difference. But if it is in SI units, there is a difference of around 0.30 seconds.

Can you tell me why my method is wrong?
 

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