Undergrad Why is my derivation of the catenary wrong?

Click For Summary
The discussion centers on the differentiation of the tangent function, specifically addressing a common mistake in its approximation. The tangent approximation used, tan(theta + dtheta) ~ tan(theta) + dtheta, is identified as incorrect. The proper differentiation of tan(theta) should involve the quotient rule, leading to a more accurate expression. Participants agree on the need for careful application of differentiation rules in this context. The emphasis is on understanding the correct mathematical approach to avoid errors in solving differential equations.
phantomvommand
Messages
287
Reaction score
39
TL;DR
I have "derived" a differential equation for the catenary, and have attached my working. It looks slightly different from the correct expression, which can be found here: https://www.math24.net/equation-catenary

Please do tell me where I made a mistake. Thank you!
Important note: I only derived the differential equation, I did not solve it.

WhatsApp Image 2021-03-04 at 1.22.37 AM.jpeg

What I think caused the mistake:
- the tangent approximation (tan(theta+dtheta) ~ tan theta + d theta
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Hi,

phantomvommand said:
What I think

That's what I think too :wink:
The proper way to differentiate ##\tan\theta## is not ##{d\tan\theta\over d\theta} = 1 ## but $${d\tan\theta\over d\theta} = {d\over d\theta}\Biggl ( {\sin\theta\over\cos\theta}\Biggr ) =\ ... $$
##\ ##​
 
Thread 'What is the pressure of trapped air inside this tube?'
As you can see from the picture, i have an uneven U-shaped tube, sealed at the short end. I fill the tube with water and i seal it. So the short side is filled with water and the long side ends up containg water and trapped air. Now the tube is sealed on both sides and i turn it in such a way that the traped air moves at the short side. Are my claims about pressure in senarios A & B correct? What is the pressure for all points in senario C? (My question is basically coming from watching...

Similar threads

  • · Replies 17 ·
Replies
17
Views
4K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
1K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
1K
  • · Replies 33 ·
2
Replies
33
Views
3K
Replies
15
Views
4K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
1K
  • · Replies 19 ·
Replies
19
Views
2K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
1K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
2K