Why is the empty set a proper subset of every set?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of the empty set as a proper subset of every set. Participants explore the definitions and implications of subsets and proper subsets, particularly in relation to the empty set and its properties in set theory.

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  • Some participants explain that a set S is a subset of A if all elements of S are elements of A, which is trivially satisfied for the empty set since it has no elements.
  • Others argue that the empty set is a proper subset of any non-empty set but not a proper subset of itself, as it does not contain any elements that are not in the empty set.
  • There is confusion expressed about the implications of the empty set being a subset and the nature of intersections with other sets.
  • One participant suggests a logical approach, stating that if for all x in S, x is also in A, then S is a subset of A, and this holds true for the empty set.
  • Another participant proposes a proof by contradiction, asserting that if the empty set were not a subset of A, it would imply the existence of an element in the empty set not contained in A, which is impossible.

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Participants generally agree that the empty set is a subset of all sets, but there is some disagreement regarding its status as a proper subset, particularly in relation to the empty set itself. The discussion remains unresolved with differing interpretations and levels of understanding among participants.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the definitions and implications of subsets and proper subsets, indicating a need for clarity on these concepts. There are also references to logical reasoning and symbolic representation that may require further exploration.

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I know what a proper subset is, but I never understood why every set has the empty set as its subset?

I mean, is the reasoning something primitive like this: if I have x objects, the number of unordered sets of elements I can make are 2^x, including the case where I throw out x objects and don't make anything of them?
 
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S is a subset of A iff all elements of S are elements of A. Since the empty set has no elements, this condition is trivially satisfied: the empty set is a subset of all sets. S is a proper subset of A iff S is a subset of A and S is not equal to A. The empty set is therefore a proper subset of any non-empty set.
 
TeethWhitener said:
The empty set is therefore a proper subset of any non-empty set.
The "non-empty" is important here. The empty set is not a proper subset of the empty set. It is still a subset.
 
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TeethWhitener said:
. Since the empty set has no elements, this condition is trivially satisfied: the empty set is a subset of all sets..

I don't understand why
 
mfb said:
The "non-empty" is important here. The empty set is not a proper subset of the empty set. It is still a subset.

A set A is a proper subset of another B set if and only if all elements of A are contained within B, and B has at least one element that is not contained in A.

The ampty set is a proper subset of all sets except itself.

But why?
 
Bipolar Demon said:
I don't understand why
Are all elements of ##\emptyset## elements of ##A##?
 
TeethWhitener said:
Are all elements of ##\emptyset## elements of ##A##?

There is no intersection, it is a disjoing, but A contains as the empty subset as a subset...so there is an intersection? Now i am confused
 
Let's think about it a different way: If, for all ##x \in S##, it's also true that ##x## is an element of ##A##, then ##S \subseteq A##. So now all you have to do is list out all of the ##x \in \emptyset##, and check to make sure that they're all in ##A##.

EDIT: this may require a little knowledge of first-order logic. In symbolic terms, the condition for ##S \subseteq A## is
$$(S \subseteq A) \leftrightarrow \forall x (x \in S \rightarrow x \in A)$$
The rule for material implication is that ##p \rightarrow q## is true when ##p## is false, regardless of what ##q## is. So ##x \in \emptyset## is false for all ##x##, which means the condition $$\forall x (x \in S \rightarrow x \in A)$$
evaluates to
$$\forall x (F \rightarrow x \in A)$$
$$\forall x (T)$$
$$T$$
where ##F## is "false" and ##T## is "true."
 
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Let's take a different approach: "Every square number between 5 and 7 is odd". Is this statement correct?

"Every element in ∅ is also element of set A". Is this statement correct?
Same logic.
 
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All I know about logic is this:

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mISTAKE/typo..UNION Is the OR operator, but yes, this is all I know
 
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We can try a "proof by contradiction" as well (even though this is a definition, not a theorem). Assume that the empty set isn't a subset of ##A##. Then there exists some element of the empty set that is not an element of ##A##. But this is impossible, because the empty set has no elements. So the empty set has to be a subset of ##A##.
 
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Let ##A## be a non-empty set. Can you name me an element of ##\emptyset## that is not in ##A##?
 
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micromass said:
Let ##A## be a non-empty set. Can you name me an element of ##\emptyset## that is not in ##A##?
No, and that is why it must be a subset of A.:oldbiggrin:
 
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Bipolar Demon said:
No, and that is why it must be a subset of A.:oldbiggrin:
Correct.
Bipolar Demon said:
All I know about logic is this:
This is not logic. This is about unions and intersections of sets, which do not matter here.
 
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