Why is the Enthalpy of Neutralisation for HF Greater than 68KJ?

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The discussion revolves around the enthalpy of neutralization for hydrofluoric acid (HF) and why it is reported to be greater than 68 kJ. Participants explore the relationship between the enthalpy of neutralization, the enthalpy of ionization, and the thermodynamic properties of the reaction.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the enthalpy of neutralization can be expressed as the sum of the enthalpy of ionization and the enthalpy change of the reaction between H+ and OH-.
  • Another participant points out that for very strong acids, the enthalpy of ionization is assumed to be zero, leading to a conclusion that the enthalpy of neutralization should be less than 57 kJ.
  • A different participant provides a reaction equation and states that the enthalpy of the reaction is greater than 68 kJ, indicating that the enthalpy of ionization of HF is exothermic.
  • One participant challenges the claim that the enthalpy of ionization for very strong acids is zero, arguing that equilibrium conditions do not imply a zero enthalpy of ionization.

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Participants express differing views on the enthalpy of ionization for strong acids and its implications for the enthalpy of neutralization. There is no consensus on the accuracy of the initial assumptions regarding the enthalpy of ionization.

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Participants have not fully resolved the assumptions regarding the enthalpy of ionization for strong acids and the implications for the enthalpy of neutralization of HF.

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why enthalpy of neutralisation of HF is greater than 68KJ.

MY attempt

Enthalpy of neutralisation= Enthalpy of Ionisation + Δ(H+ + OH-)

Now,For very strong acid, enthalpy of Ionisation = 0,

Hence enthalpy of neutralisation= (H+ + OH-)= -13.7KCal

for weak acid, enthalpy of ionisation is always > 0

∴, enthalpy of neutralisation should always be less than 13.7 (57 KJ).

Please explain
 
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HF + OH- = F- + H2O

Enthalpy of this reaction = Enthalpy of neutralization of HF = Enthalpy of products - Enthalpy of reactants
which comes out to be greater than 68kJ. So, here evidently the enthalpy of of ionization of HF is EXOTHERMIC.

Hope this helps! :)
-Adithyan
 
theincrediblea said:
Now,For very strong acid, enthalpy of Ionisation = 0

That's not true.

Just because the acid dissociated long ago and the solution temperature got in equilibrium with the surroundings, doesn't mean enthalpy of ionization was zero.
 
thanks adithyan for ur help
 

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