Why Are Halide Ions Replaced by Weaker Nucleophiles in Substitution Reactions?

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The discussion revolves around the mechanisms of nucleophilic substitution reactions, specifically why stronger nucleophiles like halide ions can be replaced by weaker nucleophiles such as hydroxide ions. Participants explore the roles of leaving group stability, thermodynamics, and concentration in these reactions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why halide ions, despite being strong nucleophiles, can be replaced by weaker nucleophiles like OH-, suggesting that the strength of the leaving group is a key factor in nucleophilic substitutions.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of thermodynamics and the mass action law, indicating that the concentration of OH- can favor its substitution for Cl- due to entropic factors.
  • A different viewpoint asserts that while OH- is a poor leaving group, the stability of the leaving group is crucial, with more stable leaving groups leading to faster reactions.
  • One participant emphasizes that the stability of the leaving group in solution is also a thermodynamic consideration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the role of leaving group stability and thermodynamics in nucleophilic substitution reactions, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the pKa values of acids related to leaving groups and the concentration of nucleophiles, but the discussion does not resolve the implications of these factors on reaction rates or mechanisms.

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I'm trying to get a good understanding of why one nucleophile, replaces another nucleophile during a nuclephilic substitution. For instance, halide ions are strong nucleophiles so why are they so easy to replace, even by weak nucleophiles like OH-? I read that a way to estimate the strength of a leaving group, you look at the its pKa when attached to a hydrogen atom. The lower the pKa, the better the leaving group. With the exception of HF, all the hydrohalic acids are very strong which explains why they make good leaving groups. I read that tosylate groups are as good as halide groups for leaving so I'm guessing tosylic acid has a pretty low pKa. So is it mainly the strength of the leaving group that underlies nucleophilic substitutions?

Do nitro groups participate in nucleophilic substitution? Their corresponding acid is nitrous acid which is pretty strong.
 
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In some way, it is all a question of thermodynamics, especially of the mass action law. Typically, the concentration of OH- is high but there are no Cl- ions in the pot, so substitution of Cl by OH is favored entropically.
 
... and OH- is a LOUSY leaving group even after the reaction has proceeded somewhat and chloride anions begin to have a measurable concentration.

In general, the stability of the leaving group affects the rate of reaction with the more stable species undergoing more rapid reaction. Also, the more basic the leaving group is the slower the reaction will proceed.
 
True, but this stability of the leaving group in solution is also a thermodynamic concept.
 

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