Why is the gravity of a neutron star stronger than that of its original star?

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The discussion revolves around the gravitational properties of neutron stars compared to their original stars, particularly focusing on why neutron stars exhibit stronger gravity despite containing the same mass. Participants explore concepts related to gravitational force, compaction of mass, and the generation of gravitational waves during collisions of compact objects like black holes and neutron stars.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the gravity of a neutron star is stronger than that of its original star, suggesting that since the mass remains the same, gravity should also be the same unless compaction affects it.
  • Another participant asserts that the total gravity of a neutron star does not increase, but the gravitational force experienced can be much stronger due to the proximity to the mass when it is compacted into a smaller volume.
  • Some participants discuss the relationship between distance from the center of mass and gravitational force, noting that being closer to the mass of a neutron star results in significantly stronger gravity compared to a larger star.
  • Questions are raised about the detection of gravitational waves, specifically why only colliding black holes produce detectable waves, with some suggesting that the high density of black holes contributes to this phenomenon.
  • It is mentioned that gravitational waves have also been detected from merging neutron stars, indicating that both types of compact objects can produce gravitational waves during their interactions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between mass compaction and gravitational strength, with some asserting that gravity remains the same for a given mass regardless of compaction, while others emphasize the importance of proximity to the mass in determining gravitational force. The discussion on gravitational waves also reveals a lack of consensus on the conditions necessary for their detection.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various distances and gravitational forces without resolving the underlying assumptions about gravity in compact objects. The discussion includes unresolved questions about the mechanisms behind gravitational wave production and the specific conditions that lead to their detection.

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This discussion may be of interest to those exploring astrophysics, particularly the properties of neutron stars and black holes, as well as the phenomena of gravitational waves.

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I've just watched a vid about jets of matter and neutron stars. It was stated in it that a neutron star is a star that's been compressed from say a sun sized star to the size of a city, every thing OK upto now. Then it goes on to say that it has, the neutron star, enormous gravity, this is were I started to think; why is the gravity stronger than the gravity of the original star? The neutron star holds the same amount of matter as the original star so shouldn't the gravity be the same albeit the matter is more compacted. Does the compaction have an effect on the gravity? If so why? Same for a Black hole, in this sense just a more compact neutron star.
 
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Simple answer: The total gravity of a neutron star doesn't increase. At a given distance from neutron star you would feel the same gravity as you would from a main sequence star of the same mass. However, being more compact, you can get much closer to the center of a neutron without reaching its surface than you can the main sequence star, and gravitational force does depend on how far you are from the center. With a sun sized star the surface is some 695,000 km from the center and the g-force felt there would be 28 times stronger than at the surface of the Earth. A sun massed neutron star would be be ~9 km in radius and the g-force at its sufrace would be ~1.76e11 times stronger than on the surface of the Earth.
 
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So I was right in my thoughts that for a given mass regardless of it's compaction the gravity is the same. This brings up another query: Why is it only black holes colliding that is produce gravity waves that are detected? Is it because the said B/H have such a high density?
 
Simon Peach said:
Why is it only black holes colliding that is produce gravity waves that are detected? Is it because the said B/H have such a high density?

Yes. The gravity very far away from a black hole is identical to a star of equal mass. But when you compress all that mass into a very small volume you can get very close to all of that mass. The Sun, for example, is more than a million kilometers across, and if you were just above the photosphere you would still be more than a million kilometers from all of the mass on the other side of the Sun. Hence the gravity from that bit of mass isn't nearly as strong as the gravity from the points in the Sun near you. But when you compress everything into a small sphere perhaps a few dozen kilometers across, you're suddenly very close to all of that mass and the gravity is many orders of magnitude stronger.
 
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Simon Peach said:
So I was right in my thoughts that for a given mass regardless of it's compaction the gravity is the same. This brings up another query: Why is it only black holes colliding that is produce gravity waves that are detected? Is it because the said B/H have such a high density?
Theyv'e also detected gravitational waves produced by merging neutron stars.
As two objects orbit each other, they emit gravitational waves. This causes the system to lose energy and they spiral in towards each other. In most cases this is slow process. It speeds up and the energy of the gravitational waves increase as they get closer. The closer they get, the faster they orbit, the faster they orbit, the greater the energy lost to gravitational waves. Black holes and Neutron stars are so compact that they can get very close to each other before the actual collision and thus can orbit very fast, producing quite a bit of gravitational radiation.
 
Thank you all for explaining
 

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