Why is there so much emphasis on whether osomething is a function

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The discussion revolves around the significance of defining something as a function within various mathematical contexts, particularly in relation to educational experiences in mathematics and logic. Participants explore the relevance of functions in different areas of mathematics, including algebra, calculus, and complex analysis, as well as their implications in scientific experimentation.

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  • Some participants question the emphasis placed on proving something is a function, noting that it seems to have little relevance outside of specific contexts like complex analysis.
  • Others argue that while certain curves (e.g., circles, hyperbolas) are not described by functions, this distinction has not posed significant problems in practice.
  • A participant mentions that the concept of functions is crucial in differential equations, particularly when solutions become non-functional.
  • There is a viewpoint that understanding functions as providing one output for each input is important for concepts like inversibility.
  • Another participant highlights the importance of consistency in scientific experiments, suggesting that functions model the property of yielding the same result upon repeated trials.

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Participants express a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the importance of functions. While some acknowledge the relevance of functions in specific mathematical contexts, others feel that the emphasis on functions may be overstated and not particularly impactful in broader applications.

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Participants reference various mathematical concepts and contexts, indicating that the relevance of functions may depend on the specific area of study or application. There are mentions of differing experiences in educational settings, suggesting that the importance of functions may vary among students.

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This discussion may be of interest to students and educators in mathematics and logic, as well as professionals in scientific fields who utilize mathematical modeling in their work.

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I was tutoring someone for an intro mathematical logic class and there were a few problems about proving something is a function or not. I remember in high school algebra, there were a pretty large emphasis on the vertical line test. In precalculus I saw it again. In calculus I saw it again. In this intro to logic course there was proving that something was a function.

Why does it even matter? After intro to logic I have never really seen a reason why we even care. The only place where it even matters is in complex analysis when you have to define branch cuts for multivalued functions. But it really wasn't that big of a deal, and most people who take high school algebra won't see complex analysis. I could kind of see in a logic class, as an example of proof. But it seems strange that after that class, I have never seen it come up again really. In math or physics or science or anything really.
 
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johnqwertyful said:
I was tutoring someone for an intro mathematical logic class and there were a few problems about proving something is a function or not...Why does it even matter? After intro to logic I have never really seen a reason why we even care. The only place where it even matters is in complex analysis when you have to define branch cuts for multivalued functions. But it really wasn't that big of a deal, and most people who take high school algebra won't see complex analysis. I could kind of see in a logic class, as an example of proof. But it seems strange that after that class, I have never seen it come up again really. In math or physics or science or anything really.

You never see circles, hyperbolas, shocks?
 
I see them all the time.
 
So you know they're not described by functions.
It's just one of those things—you learn it once and hopefully you know to recognize and/or avoid problems that arise from it.
That's how I tend to view the relevance of function/not function for the general audience anyway.
 
Yes, I agree they're not described by functions. But that's never really mattered, there's never really been a problem. I mean maybe a tiny bit, but it seems like there was a ton of emphasis. I've seen it in multiple classes.
 
johnqwertyful said:
Yes, I agree they're not described by functions. But that's never really mattered, there's never really been a problem. I mean maybe a tiny bit, but it seems like there was a ton of emphasis. I've seen it in multiple classes.

Yeah, I don't know. It's a huge problem in differential equations—when the solution goes "non function." Doubt that's of much relevance to the majority of students though.

I do agree with you that it seems to receive a lot of time, despite being a pretty simple concept to understand (and test in most cases).
 
Having nothing more than just a feeling for the answer, a function giving exactly one output for anyone input is an important distinction to make. This points to inversability.
 
Good point.
 
We like questions that have one correct answer! When scientist do an experiment repeatedly, it is important that they get the same result each time. A "function" models that property.
 

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