Why is this equation non separable?

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The discussion revolves around the differential equation dy/dx + y = 1, with participants exploring whether it is separable and attempting to find particular solutions. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and technical explanations related to differential equations.

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  • One participant asserts that the equation is not separable and presents their approach to finding a particular solution.
  • Another participant claims the equation is separable and provides an alternative method involving treating it as a linear equation, leading to a different solution.
  • A third participant points out a correction in the integration process, suggesting that the right-hand side must be integrated with respect to x.
  • Further clarification is provided regarding the integration steps and the importance of maintaining proper notation during the solution process.

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Participants express differing views on whether the equation is separable, with some asserting it is while others maintain it is not. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the classification of the equation and the correctness of the initial approach.

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There are limitations in the integration steps presented, particularly regarding the treatment of constants and the integration variable. Some assumptions about the methods used are not explicitly stated.

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Hi everyone,
I am trying to find any particular solution for the equation dy/dx + y = 1.
I have been told it is not separable.

I have done the following:
dy/dx = 1-y
integral of 1/(1-y) dy = integral
-loge(1-y) = c
e^-c = 1-y
y = 1- e^-c
let c = 0
y = 1-1
A particular solution is y= 0.

My question is why would my questions be mathematically incorrect?
 
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I've moved this thread to our Differential Equations forum as that's a better fit for the question being asked. :D

The equation you posted is in fact separable, but I find it much easier to solve if we treat it as a linear equation, and multiply through by $e^x$ to obtain:

$$e^x\d{y}{x}+ye^x=e^x$$

Rewrite the left side, observing it is the differentiation of a product:

$$\frac{d}{dx}\left(e^xy\right)=e^x$$

Now, integrate through with respect to $x$:

$$e^xy=e^x+C$$

Divide through now by $e^x$ to obtain the explicit solution:

$$y(x)=1+Ce^{-x}$$

Notice that for suitable choice of $C$, we get the trivial solution $y\equiv1$ that you would technically lose by treating it as a separable equation.
 
brunette15 said:
dy/dx = 1-y
integral of 1/(1-y) dy = integral
-loge(1-y) = c

Hey brunette55, (Smile)

That should be $-\ln(1-y)=x+c$.
Do you see why?
 
brunette15 said:
Hi everyone,
I am trying to find any particular solution for the equation dy/dx + y = 1.
I have been told it is not separable.

I have done the following:
dy/dx = 1-y
integral of 1/(1-y) dy = integral ?

Your approach is valid, this equation is separable as you have shown. Your problem is that you did not integrate the RHS with respect to x. This is why I much prefer doing every step...

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \frac{\mathrm{d}y}{\mathrm{d}x} &= 1 - y \\ \frac{1}{1 - y}\,\frac{\mathrm{d}y}{\mathrm{d}x} &= 1 \\ \int{ \frac{1}{1 - y }\,\frac{\mathrm{d}y}{\mathrm{d}x} \, \mathrm{d}x} &= \int{ 1 \,\mathrm{d}x} \\ \int{ \frac{1}{1 - y}\,\mathrm{d}y} &= x + C_1 \\ -\ln{ \left| 1 - y \right| } + C_2 &= x + C_1 \end{align*}$

Can you continue?
 
This all clears up a lot, thanks everyone! :)
 

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