Why is this expression bounded by 1?

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The discussion centers on the mathematical expression \(\left| \frac{1 - e^{-iy}}{-iy} \right|\) and its boundedness by 1 for \(y \in \mathbb{R}\). Participants explore various approaches to demonstrate this property, including series expansions and derivative analysis.

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  • One participant suggests using the series expansion of \(e^{-iy}\) to analyze the expression but finds it challenging to show boundedness directly.
  • Another participant proposes examining the absolute values in the numerator and denominator using trigonometric identities.
  • A different participant recommends expanding the expression to find a real function of \(y\) and then determining its extrema through calculus.
  • A later reply reformulates the expression as \(f(y) = \frac{2}{|y|} \left| \sin \left( \frac{y}{2} \right) \right|\) and notes that it suffices to show \(f(y) \leq 1\) on the interval \((-2,2)\), while also considering the behavior outside this interval.
  • This participant also mentions that the alternating series estimation theorem implies \(\frac{\sin x}{x} < 1\) for \(x \in (0,1)\), suggesting a potential conclusion about boundedness.

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Participants present multiple approaches and suggestions, but there is no consensus on a definitive method to demonstrate the boundedness of the expression. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach.

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Some participants note limitations in their methods, such as the need for careful handling of limits and the behavior of the series expansion. The discussion also reflects varying levels of familiarity with mathematical techniques relevant to the problem.

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How exactly might one go about showing that

[tex] \left| \frac{1 - e^{-iy}}{-iy} \right|[/tex]

is bounded by 1 for [itex]y\in \mathbb R[/itex]? I thought this would be easy to show using the series expansion of [itex]e^{-iy}[/itex] in some way:

[tex] \left| \frac{1 - e^{-iy}}{-iy} \right| = \left| 1 - \frac{iy}{2} - \frac{y^2}{6} + \frac{iy^3}{24} + \ldots \right| = \lim_{N\to \infty} \left| \sum_{n=0}^N \frac{(-iy)^n}{(n+1)!} \right| = \lim_{N\to \infty} g(y,N).[/tex]

But this doesn't seem to be the right way to do it. For example, if you look at [itex]g(8,N)[/itex] for the first several values of [itex]N\in \mathbb N[/itex], it eventually settles down to something less than one, but it takes it awhile! Indeed, one needs to take [itex]N=14[/itex] to make [itex]g(8,N) < 1[/itex]. So I'm not sure a simple "inequalities are preserved under the limit" argument will work. And the series isn't alternating, so the alternating series estimation theorem won't work, either. Any ideas?
 
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have you tried writing out the absolute values in top and bottom? using the basic identities e^(it) = cos(t) + i sin(t) and |a+bi|^2 = a^2 + b^2?
 
Try expanding the expression, which will give you a real function of y. You can then find the extrema of the expression inside the square root by taking the derivative and setting it equal to zero, then find the largest extremum. A little involved, but it works.
 
Ok. Both of you guys seem to have a pretty decent suggestion. It looks like, for [itex]y\in \mathbb R[/itex],

[tex] \left| \frac{1 - e^{-iy}}{-iy} \right| = \frac{2}{|y|} \left| \sin \left( \frac{y}{2} \right) \right| = f(y).[/tex]

We first observe that it is sufficient to show [itex]f(y) \leq 1[/itex] on [itex](-2,2)[/itex]; on the complement of this interval, the obvious estimate [itex]f(y) \leq \frac{2}{|y|} \leq 1[/itex] does the trick. (Note that we are forcing the original function to have the value of 1 at zero; maybe I should've mentioned that!) Also, [itex]f(y)[/itex] is an even function, so it will suffice to look at [itex]0 < y < 2[/itex]. If we let [itex]x = y/2[/itex], this is equivalent to looking at [itex]g(x) = \frac{\sin x}{x}[/itex] for [itex]0 < x < 1[/itex]. But the alternating series estimation theorem shows us that [itex]\frac{\sin x}{x} < 1[/itex] for [itex]x\in (0,1)[/itex], so we're done. Does this sound right?
 

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