Weierstrass Function: Continuous and Bounded on $\mathbb{R}$

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The discussion revolves around the Weierstrass function, specifically examining its properties as a continuous function that is not differentiable at any point on the real line. Participants explore the construction of the function using a helper function and discuss its boundedness and convergence.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the function $\phi$ serves as a helper function to define $f$, questioning its role and properties.
  • There is a discussion about the boundedness of $f$, with some participants suggesting that since $\phi$ has a range of $[0,1]$, the series defining $f$ is bounded above by a geometric series.
  • Participants express uncertainty about whether the series converges for any $x$, with some suggesting the use of the comparison test with a known convergent series.
  • Questions arise regarding the extension of $\phi$ to the whole $\mathbb{R}$ and whether this affects the range of $\phi(4^nx)$ for $x$ outside the interval $[-1,1]$.
  • Some participants discuss the implications of $f(x+1) = f(x)$, leading to the conclusion that $f$ is increasing and bounded, which suggests convergence of the series.
  • There is a query about whether the properties established imply that $f$ is continuous.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the boundedness of $f$ and the role of $\phi$, but there is no consensus on the convergence of the series for all $x$ or the implications for continuity. Multiple competing views remain regarding the convergence criteria and the behavior of the series.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the convergence of the series and the implications of the properties of $\phi$. There are unresolved questions about the definitions and assumptions related to the extension of $\phi$ and its impact on the function $f$.

  • #31
Klaas van Aarsen said:
Can't we split it up like:
$$\left |\sum_{n=0}^{k}\left (\frac{3}{4}\right )^n\gamma_n\right |
\geq \left |\left (\frac{3}{4}\right )^k\gamma_k\right | -\sum_{n=0}^{k-1}\left (\frac{3}{4}\right )^n|\gamma_n|$$
(Thinking)

Ahh ok! So we split it in that way to get a lower bound that goes to infinity if $k\rightarrow \infty$ and so the limit of IVT that we need for $f'$ does not exist, and thus $f'$ does not exist and so the proof is complete, right? (Wondering)
 
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  • #32
mathmari said:
Ahh ok! So we split it in that way to get a lower bound that goes to infinity if $k\rightarrow \infty$ and so the limit of IVT that we need for $f'$ does not exist, and thus $f'$ does not exist and so the proof is complete, right?

Yep. (Nod)
 
  • #33
Great! Thank you so much! 😊
 
  • #34
mathmari said:
For $x\in [-1,1]$ we define $\phi (x)=|x|$ and then we extend $\phi$ to the whole $\mathbb{R}$ such that $\phi (x+2)=\phi (x)$.

How does this look graphically? :unsure:
 
  • #35
mathmari said:
How does this look graphically?
\begin{tikzpicture}
\draw[help lines] (-4,-2) grid (4,2);
\draw[->] (-4.4,0) -- (4.4,0);
\draw[->] (0,-2.2) -- (0,2.2);
\draw foreach \i in {-4,...,4} { (\i,0.1) -- (\i,-0.1) node[below] {$\i$} };
\draw foreach \i in {-2,...,2} { (0.1,\i) -- (-0.1,\i) node[ left ] {$\i$} };
\draw[domain=-4.2:4.2, variable=\x, blue, ultra thick, samples=200] plot ({\x}, {abs(\x-floor((\x-1)/2)*2-2)}) node[above right] {$\phi$};
\end{tikzpicture}
:geek:
 
  • #36
mathmari said:
We have that $$\lim\limits_{x\to x_0} f(x)=\lim\limits_{x\to x_0}\sum_{n=0}^{\infty}\left (\frac{3}{4}\right )^n\phi \left (4^nx\right )=\sum_{n=0}^{\infty}\left (\frac{3}{4}\right )^n\lim\limits_{x\to x_0}\phi \left (4^nx\right )$$

Is it correct that we can take the limit into the sum? :unsure:
Can we do that because the series converges?
 
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  • #37
mathmari said:
Is it correct that we can take the limit into the sum?
Can we do that because the series converges?
It's because Tannery's theorem says:

Let $ S_n = \sum\limits_{k=0}^\infty a_k(n) $ and suppose that $ \lim\limits_{n\rightarrow\infty} a_k(n) = b_k $. If $ |a_k(n)| \le M_k $ and $ \sum\limits_{k=0}^\infty M_k < \infty $, then $ \lim\limits_{n\rightarrow\infty} S_n = \sum_{k=0}^{\infty} b_k $.

Can we find such $M_k$? 🤔
 
  • #38
Klaas van Aarsen said:
It's because Tannery's theorem says:

Let $ S_n = \sum\limits_{k=0}^\infty a_k(n) $ and suppose that $ \lim\limits_{n\rightarrow\infty} a_k(n) = b_k $. If $ |a_k(n)| \le M_k $ and $ \sum\limits_{k=0}^\infty M_k < \infty $, then $ \lim\limits_{n\rightarrow\infty} S_n = \sum_{k=0}^{\infty} b_k $.

Can we find such $M_k$? 🤔

So we want to find an upper bound of $\left |\left (\frac{3}{4}\right )^n\phi (4^nx)\right |$, right?
We have that $\left |\left (\frac{3}{4}\right )^n\phi (4^nx)\right |\leq \left |\left (\frac{3}{4}\right )^n\right |\cdot \left |\phi (4^nx)\right |\leq 1\cdot 1=1$ or not?
But this $M_k$ does not satisfy the condition $ \sum\limits_{k=0}^\infty M_k < \infty $.

:unsure:
 
  • #39
mathmari said:
So we want to find an upper bound of $\left |\left (\frac{3}{4}\right )^n\phi (4^nx)\right |$, right?
We have that $\left |\left (\frac{3}{4}\right )^n\phi (4^nx)\right |\leq \left |\left (\frac{3}{4}\right )^n\right |\cdot \left |\phi (4^nx)\right |\leq 1\cdot 1=1$ or not?
But this $M_k$ does not satisfy the condition $ \sum\limits_{k=0}^\infty M_k < \infty $.
How about $M_k=\left (\frac{3}{4}\right )^k$? 🤔
 

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