Why Plot Spin vs Mass^2 in Particle Physics?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of plotting spin versus mass squared in particle physics, specifically in relation to regge trajectories and their empirical origins. Participants explore the reasoning behind this plot and its implications for understanding particle properties.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference Susskind's lecture on string theory, noting the appearance of regge trajectories when plotting spin against mass squared.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the reasonableness of the plot, suggesting it may have been discovered empirically rather than theoretically.
  • Another participant argues that plotting spin versus mass squared is a natural approach, as it allows for the examination of potential correlations between these two parameters of elementary particles.
  • There is a discussion about the equivalence of plotting spin against mass versus mass squared, with one participant explaining that both approaches yield similar information but may be preferred for different reasons, such as visual clarity.
  • Some participants highlight that theorists might prefer mass squared due to its relation to momentum squared, indicating a habitual choice in plotting.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity and theoretical grounding of plotting spin versus mass squared. While some find it a natural and insightful approach, others question its empirical basis and theoretical justification. No consensus is reached regarding the appropriateness of the plot.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that the relationship between spin and mass squared is not clearly derived from existing theories, indicating potential limitations in understanding the underlying principles.

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Maybe this is more quantum, but I'm not sure.

I was watching Susskinds first String lecture on youtube, and he was talking about how, within each particle family, you get a straight line called a regge trajectory if you plot spin vs. mass^2.

He also mentioned that there was some slight insight as to how it came about, but also hinted that it might have been dumb luck at the time.

I'm not even sure what to google, I've looked up regge trajectories, pion-pion scattering, even plot spin vs mass squared, and am not turning anything up.

Does anyone have any insight as to why this would be a reasonable thing to plot?
 
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It's not a reasonable thing to draw... it was something that was probably found empirically and before QCD... afterall, it's not emerging from theory (or at least we don't know how it does).
 
hmmm... ok.
 
BiGyElLoWhAt said:
Maybe this is more quantum, but I'm not sure.

I was watching Susskinds first String lecture on youtube, and he was talking about how, within each particle family, you get a straight line called a regge trajectory if you plot spin vs. mass^2.

He also mentioned that there was some slight insight as to how it came about, but also hinted that it might have been dumb luck at the time.

I'm not even sure what to google, I've looked up regge trajectories, pion-pion scattering, even plot spin vs mass squared, and am not turning anything up.

Does anyone have any insight as to why this would be a reasonable thing to plot?
I find that it is a natural thing to plot. If you think of an elementary particle, it is described by two parameters: the spin and the mass. If some set of observables are described by two parameters, an obvious thing to do is to check if these are independent or are correlated. A priori, the theory did not suggest that they should have any connection but it is an obvious thing to check to see if theory is incomplete. That seems natural to me, but maybe I am in the minority.
 
You seem to make the argument to plot ##\ell \ \text{vs} \ m## as opposed to ##\ell\ \text{vs.} \ m^2##
 
BiGyElLoWhAt said:
You seem to make the argument to plot ##\ell \ \text{vs} \ m## as opposed to ##\ell\ \text{vs.} \ m^2##
It is totally equivalent. If you plot l vs m and you get a very nice fit to a quadratic, then you get the same information as plotting l vs m^2 and getting a nice fit to a straight line. If one finds straight lines nicer, then after discovering that l vs m gives a quadratic, one would go to l vs m^2 to get a straight line (a straight line is of course easier to visually understand, it is hard to tell without a computer if a curve is quadratic or something else, it is easier to spot a straight line, which is why people like to use variables that will lead to straight lines but from the point of view of fitting using a computer, it makes no difference to use one over the other).

However, for a particle physicist, it is also more natural to use m^2 because it is equal to P^2, so a theorist would probably plot l vs m^2 first, just out of habit.
 
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