Why Professional Physicists Are Proud of Their Profession

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the reasons why professional physicists take pride in their profession and the distinction between professional and amateur status in the fields of physics and chemistry. Participants explore the societal perceptions of these professions and the implications of professional titles.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that in many countries, certain professions like engineering and chemistry are protected, requiring formal qualifications to claim those titles, which may not be the case for physicists.
  • It is suggested that the term "professional physicist" is often used to differentiate those working in industry from academic physicists.
  • One participant argues that expertise is important when providing services that have concrete consequences, while others should be free to contribute to pure science without formal credentials.
  • There is a mention of Grigori Perelman, who is noted for his contributions to mathematics despite being outside the traditional academic establishment, raising questions about the role of credentials in scientific contributions.
  • Another participant references Marjorie Rice, an amateur mathematician who made significant contributions, highlighting that non-credentialed individuals can still impact the field when collaborating with established professionals.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of formal qualifications in science and the implications of professional titles. There is no consensus on the reasons behind the pride associated with being a professional physicist versus a chemist.

Contextual Notes

Discussion includes assumptions about the societal roles of different scientific professions and the varying degrees of openness to contributions from non-credentialed individuals, which remain unresolved.

Rajini
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Hello all,

why physicists are proud to say that they are 'professional physicist'?? Also physicist are dare and bare to say that they don't know chemistry as well as i am not a chemist!
But i rarely notice scientists saying ' i am a professional chemist'??..

why so?
 
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Dunno.

I'm an amateur physicist, fwiw. :D
 
Rajini said:
But i rarely notice scientists saying ' i am a professional chemist'??..
It tends to be the other way around. In a lot of countries some professions are protected - you can't just call yourself an engineer or chemist, just like you can't call yourself a doctor or lawyer.

This is more common in jobs with a public safety concern like engineering or chemistry, physicists tend not to be directly involved in the final design of things so professional physics registration isn't as common.

I think people say "professional physicist" more to distinguish themselves from academic physicists - ie. they are saying that they work in industry or industrial research.
 
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Okay, yes absolutely you can't call doctor or lawyer (without getting degree in those areas)..
 
Rajini said:
Okay, yes absolutely you can't call doctor or lawyer (without getting degree in those areas)..
I think there are two things here.

First, there is someone claiming expertise in order to provide others with a service, be it an expert opinion or the solution to a particular problem where there are concrete consequences if that solution is wrong.

In this first case, of course, it is right and proper that the individual involved should be able to provide proof of their expertise.

But second, there is someone who is simply putting forward ideas in the pursuit of pure science.

In this second case, I think it is important to, in theory at least, leave the field open to those outside the establishment. After all, possibly the most brilliant mathematician alive is a rather private chap who lives with his mum in St Petersburg and works all on his own.
 
Sea Cow said:
In this second case, I think it is important to, in theory at least, leave the field open to those outside the establishment. After all, possibly the most brilliant mathematician alive is a rather private chap who lives with his mum in St Petersburg and works all on his own.
Ahaha

didn't he quit and is now trying to break through as a violinist?
 
SeaCow said:
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But second, there is someone who is simply putting forward ideas in the pursuit of pure science.

In this second case, I think it is important to, in theory at least, leave the field open to those outside the establishment. After all, possibly the most brilliant mathematician alive is a rather private chap who lives with his mum in St Petersburg and works all on his own.

True that, but Grigori Pereleman (sp?) does have a Ph.D. in mathematics (with the attendant work) and took fellowships and postdocs. Not that non-credentialed people haven't been able to make contributions--but they are far and few inbetween, and usually worked with mathematicians 'in the system' to realize their contributions:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_amateur_mathematicians

One of the more recent ones was Marjorie Rice who, despite only a high school educatio,n had an interest in Penrose Tilings, read work in the field, and worked with a mathematician at a local university (IIRC) to get her work published:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marjorie_Rice
 

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