Why sabotage when you could just no-show?

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The discussion centers on employment termination practices, particularly the implications of quitting versus being fired. Participants highlight that in many U.S. states, employment is "at will," allowing employees to resign without notice, while some companies enforce longer notice periods. Strategies for leaving a job, such as attempting to get fired to secure severance pay, are debated. The conversation also touches on the challenges of obtaining positive references from former employers and the ethical considerations surrounding honesty in job applications.

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I have to say, this discussion is very anti-employer... do THAT many people have such horrible work environments?! Previous employer information on your resume is just for verification of your dates of hiring and termination (and perhaps where it was involuntary or voluntary). It's doubtful that if some random person calls HR they will give out specific information about your employment there.

If you're not liking your job and want to go looking, that is your right. If you did well at your job, you will (or at least should) have some professional references (boss or co-workers) that you can provide on your resume if the company interviewing you have questions about your work-ethic, or job-related skills and knowledge. It is of course a good idea to have references if they are field-specific and/or industry recognized. Providing contact info on your boss that didn't like you is of course a bad idea, but so is "not telling the truth" on your resume.

I don't for one minute believe the "people who tell the truth are called unemployed" mantra; nor do I believe the idea that NO boss will ever give you a positive review if you quit to go work somewhere else. Today's work force is very dynamic, and young professionals' largest leaps these days are usually achieved by applying at a different company. The days of working for the same company for 40 years and then retiring are all but gone.
 
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mheslep said:
That must make it rather terrifying to actually start a business and hire anyone there.

Doesn't seem so. Probably just cultural differences.
 

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