Why the chemical elements are found together in nature

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The discussion revolves around the reasons why chemical elements are found together in nature, exploring concepts related to atomic interactions, geological processes, and the occurrence of isotopes. Participants examine the factors influencing the distribution of elements and isotopes, including density, bonding preferences, and geological formations.

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  • Exploratory
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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why chemical elements are not found in a homogeneous mix and suggests that certain atoms are found together due to their bonding preferences and the formation of chemical compounds.
  • Another participant proposes that density plays a significant role in the clustering of elements, suggesting that similar densities lead to elements separating during the cooling of the Earth's crust.
  • There is a discussion about isotopes, with some participants asserting that isotopes like Uranium-235 and Uranium-238 are found together because they behave chemically identically, while others clarify that these isotopes are not formed through radioactive decay but rather through different processes.
  • One participant raises the example of gold and silver veins, questioning why these elements are found together in specific geographical locations without being chemically bonded.
  • Another participant introduces a more abstract perspective, questioning the uniformity of atomic interactions and suggesting that the universe's early conditions led to a variety of elemental distributions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the reasons for the clustering of elements and isotopes, with no consensus reached on the primary factors influencing their distribution. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific mechanisms behind these phenomena.

Contextual Notes

Some claims about the formation of isotopes and their decay processes are presented without consensus on their accuracy. Additionally, the discussion includes various hypotheses about geological processes and atomic interactions that are not definitively established.

Keln
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I've often wondered, but have never found a solid explanation for, why the chemical elements are found together in nature? Why aren't atoms all in a somewhat homogenous mix? Why are X atoms found with other X atoms?

And why are isotopes found together, such as Uranium 235 and the far more common Uranium 238? They aren't even formed in the same decay chains. Does it simply have to do with atomic mass, or is there some other reason?
 
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I'm not a geologist, but I imagine density is the main factor. When the Earth's crust formed, it congealed from a molten mixture of many types of rock and metals. Rocks and metals of similar density and composition would tend to cool at the same rate, and separate out together. Overtime most of the Earth's crust has been recycled, but those rock and metals would still tend to end up in similar places due to their similar density and thermodynamic properties.
 
Keln said:
I've often wondered, but have never found a solid explanation for, why the chemical elements are found together in nature? Why aren't atoms all in a somewhat homogenous mix? Why are X atoms found with other X atoms?

It's not clear what you mean here. Some elements are found together because they reacted with one another and formed chemical compounds. As to any other mixtures, I'm afraid you'll need to provide some specific examples.

And why are isotopes found together, such as Uranium 235 and the far more common Uranium 238? They aren't even formed in the same decay chains. Does it simply have to do with atomic mass, or is there some other reason?

I'm afraid you've got things backwards. U-235 and U-238 are not formed by radioactive decay; each isotope however does decay radioactively into lighter elements, albeit over much different time scales.

Since isotopes behave identically chemically, it stands to reason that you would find different isotopes of the same element as part of a deposit of the compounds of that element.
 
SteamKing said:
It's not clear what you mean here. Some elements are found together because they reacted with one another and formed chemical compounds. As to any other mixtures, I'm afraid you'll need to provide some specific examples.

Ok, as an example, why is there such a thing as a vein of gold or silver? I'm not talking about different elements reacting, but the same elements, not chemically bonded, just in the same geographical location.

I'm afraid you've got things backwards. U-235 and U-238 are not formed by radioactive decay; each isotope however does decay radioactively into lighter elements, albeit over much different time scales.

Uranium-235 is formed from the decay of Protactinium-235(-B), Neptunium-235 (EC), and Plutonium-239.

Uranium-238 is formed from the decay of Plutonium-232 (a) and Protactinium-238 (-b).
 
Keln said:
Uranium-235 is formed from the decay of Protactinium-235(-B), Neptunium-235 (EC), and Plutonium-239.

Uranium-238 is formed from the decay of Plutonium-232 (a) and Protactinium-238 (-b).

Just because U-235 and U-238 show up in the decay chain of another element does not necessarily imply that these isotopes were originally formed from that element.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primordial_nuclide
 
Keln said:
Ok, as an example, why is there such a thing as a vein of gold or silver? I'm not talking about different elements reacting, but the same elements, not chemically bonded, just in the same geographical location.

You can read up on the hypothesized origins of gold an silver deposits:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver
 
Keln said:
Why aren't atoms all in a somewhat homogenous mix?
Paraphrasing, "Why aren't all A-B interaction energies equal to all A-A and all B-B interaction energies (zero)?" The cold oatmeal universe bored itself out of existence picoseconds after the original "big splat," and was replaced with something having a little more variety --- fusion reactions, a periodic table, individual elemental chemistries ...
 

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