Why the Sun Doesn't Move: Debunking Common Misconceptions About Solar Motion

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The discussion centers around the motion of the Sun, addressing common misconceptions about its movement relative to the solar system and the galaxy. Participants explore various aspects of solar motion, including gravitational influences, coordinate systems, and the Sun's trajectory within the galaxy.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that while the Sun is often assumed to be stationary, its motion around the barycenter and other gravitational influences are significant and complex.
  • One participant questions whether the North Star contributes to the Sun's motion, implying a potential influence on its trajectory.
  • Several participants assert that the Sun does move, but in a sun-centered coordinate system, it is defined as stationary.
  • Another participant notes that the Sun experiences large-scale motion as part of the galaxy's rotation and a secondary wobble due to the gravitational effects of the planets.
  • A participant recalls an article listing multiple independent motions of the Sun, suggesting a complexity to its movement that is often overlooked.
  • One contribution highlights that the entire solar system, including the Sun, is moving around a black hole at high speeds, with the gravitational pull of planets having minimal effect on the Sun's overall motion.
  • Another participant mentions that the Sun oscillates through the galactic plane over millions of years, indicating a long-term motion that is not immediately apparent.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views regarding the Sun's motion, with no consensus reached. Some agree on the existence of multiple motions, while others debate the implications of these motions and their effects on the Sun's perceived position.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes various assumptions about gravitational influences and coordinate systems, which may affect interpretations of the Sun's motion. The complexity of the Sun's movement is acknowledged, but specific mathematical or physical details remain unresolved.

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It is often safely assumed that the sun and the orbits remain relatively stationary(let's not consider precession) and the motion of the sun around the barycenter (without which the sun would be pulled towards the planets) can be neglected, but the resultant force of gravity on the sun is always changing, and yet the sun hasn't moved over these millions of years. Why?
 
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Doesn't the north star make it bounce a little?
 
The sun does move. But in a sun-centered coordinate system it is, by definition, stationary.
 
Vanadium 50 said:
The sun does move. But in a sun-centered coordinate system it is, by definition, stationary.

yes indeed the sun does move.
firstly ... the very large scale motion as part of the rotation of the galaxy

secondary ... the sun wobbles due to the orbits of the planets around it

this 2nd motion ... the wobble... is what is allowing astronomers to discover
planets orbiting other stars :)

Dave
 
I recall an article in popular astronomy press here many years ago, that listed over a dozen independent motions that Sun does at the same time.
 
Our whole solar system, sun included, is moving around the massive black hole in the centre of the galaxy in the outer arm of the spiral at something around 10,000mph, but the pull of the planets does little to affect the movement of the sun due to the incredible mass of the sun in comparison to the planets, like if you were to throw a pea away from you, it would be pulling on you with it's own gravity, but not enough to really make any difference to where you are. I think Stars appear to wobble as planets pass in front of them due to the light being emitted from it being bent by the gravity of the planet, not the pull of the planet moving the sun/star
 

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