Why topology on a set is defined the way it is?

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The discussion revolves around the definition of topology on a set, exploring why it is structured in a particular way and how these definitions relate to intuitive concepts of various topological spaces, such as lines, graphs, and higher-dimensional shapes like spheres and tori. The conversation includes inquiries about the differentiation between specific topological structures and the implications of these definitions in broader mathematical contexts.

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  • One participant cites a definition of a topological space and questions the reasoning behind its structure and its connection to intuitive ideas of different topological spaces.
  • Another participant suggests that mathematical definitions are often established for their utility in addressing various problems, implying a historical or practical basis for the definitions.
  • A different participant notes that general topology does not provide sufficient definitions to distinguish between complex structures like a 3-sphere and a torus, indicating a need for algebraic topology for such comparisons.
  • It is mentioned that general topology serves to unify the treatment of concepts like "closeness," with a single definition applicable across different dimensions, although the meaning of "open set" varies by context.
  • One participant emphasizes that the essence of topology is to generalize concepts of limits and continuity, linking the properties of open sets to those of open intervals on the real line.

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Participants express varying perspectives on the definitions and implications of topology, with no clear consensus on the reasons behind the specific structure of topological definitions or their applications in distinguishing between different types of spaces.

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Some limitations in the discussion include the lack of detailed definitions and assumptions necessary to fully explore the differences between complex topological spaces, as well as the dependence on varying interpretations of "open sets" in different dimensional contexts.

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Following is from Wolfram Mathworld

"A topological space, also called an abstract topological space, is a set X together with a collection of open subsets T that satisfies the four conditions:

  1. The empty set is in T.
  2. X is in T.
  3. The intersection of a finite number of sets in T is also in T.
  4. The union of an arbitrary number of sets in T is also in T. " http://mathworld.wolfram.com/TopologicalSpace.html
My question is why topology on a set is defined in this way? How these definition connect with our intuitive idea of different kind of topological space (i.e line, graphs, 3-sphere, torus etc).

I am obviously new in topology and will be glad if you explain in basic term. I'd be specially interested to know how one differentiate between a straight line segment and a "Y" shaped graph using these definitions.

I have convinced myself of one way, please let me know if it is correct. I can separate Y naturally in three segment let's name them a,b and c.

Let X={a,b,c}.

So the topology Y on X will be { {},{a,b,c},{a,b},{a,c},{b,c},{a},{b},{c}}.

We can break a line segment on three part. Let's do likewise for line segment l.

So the topology l on X will be { {},{a,b,c},{a,b},{b,c},{b}}. Topology Y and l are on X and obviously different. :)
 
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Ahmed Abdullah said:
My question is why topology on a set is defined in this way?
In mathematics things are defined the way they are because somebody found it a useful way of handling several (often unrelated) problem sets.
 
Ahmed Abdullah said:
How these definition connect with our intuitive idea of different kind of topological space (i.e line, graphs, 3-sphere, torus etc).

The definition you gave pertains to the subject called "General Topology". General Topology does not provide enough definitions and assumptions to deal with questions about the differences between a 3-sphere and a torus. To deal with differences like that you need to study "Algebraic Topology".

General topology provides a way to treat mathematical questions involving the (vague) concept of "closeness" in a unified fashion. For example, in an elementary approach, lim_{x \rightarrow a} f(x) = L requires one definition for real valued functions of a real variable and a different definition when x and L are two dimensional vectors. Taking the definition of "limit of a function" given by General Topology, the same definition of limit of a function applies to both cases. The only change that is made is that "open set" means one thing on the real line and a different thing in 2-dimensions.
 
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The whole point of topology is to generalize our concepts of "limits" and "continuity". A "topology" on a set is the collection of all open subsets of that set. And those properties are the properties of open intervals on the real line that are used in defining limits.
 

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