Why use a subset in the definition of bounded above?

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The discussion centers on the necessity of the subset ##E## in the definition of being bounded above within an ordered set ##S##. It is established that ##E## is essential as it allows for the identification of an upper bound ##\beta## that may not be an element of ##E## itself. The definition clarifies that for ##E## to be bounded above, there must exist a ##\beta \in S## such that every element ##x \in E## satisfies ##x \le \beta##. An example provided is the real interval ]0,1[, which is bounded above within the set of real numbers, ##\mathbb R##.

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Is the subset ##E## necessary in the following definition? It doesn't seem to serve any purpose at all and could've been written with ##S## directly? Isn't ##E## just another ordered set since it's a subset of ##S##?

Definition:
Suppose ##S## is an ordered set, and ##E \subset S##. If there exists a ##\beta \in S## such that ##x \le \beta## for every ##x \in E##, we say that ##E## is bounded above, and call ##\beta## and upper bound of ##E##.

Definition of order:
Let ##S## be a set. An order on ##S## is a relation, denoted by ##<##, with the following properties:
(i) If ##x\in S## and ##y \in S## then one and only one of the statements
##x<y,\; \; \; x=y, \; \; \; y < x## is true.
(2) If##x,y,z \in S##, if ##x<y## and ##y< z## then ##x<z##.
 
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Incand said:
Is the subset ##E## necessary in the following definition? It doesn't seem to serve any purpose at all and could've been written with ##S## directly? Isn't ##E## just another ordered set since it's a subset of ##S##?

Definition:
Suppose ##S## is an ordered set, and ##E \subset S##. If there exists a ##\beta \in S## such that ##x \le \beta## for every ##x \in E##, we say that ##E## is bounded above, and call ##\beta## and upper bound of ##E##.

Definition of order:
Let ##S## be a set. An order on ##S## is a relation, denoted by ##<##, with the following properties:
(i) If ##x\in S## and ##y \in S## then one and only one of the statements
##x<y,\; \; \; x=y, \; \; \; y < x## is true.
(2) If##x,y,z \in S##, if ##x<y## and ##y< z## then ##x<z##.
##E## as a subset of ##S## makes sense.
The upper bound ##\beta## isn't necessarily an element of ##E##.

Example: the real interval ]0,1[. It is bounded above as a subset of ##\mathbb R##.
 
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Thanks! That would explain it.
 

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