Why Use Area Instead of Mass in Moment of Inertia Formula?

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The discussion revolves around the use of area versus mass in the moment of inertia formula, particularly in the context of bending stress and structural analysis. Participants explore the implications of using area in calculations related to moment of inertia, questioning the terminology and its application in statics versus dynamics.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mixed

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between moment of inertia and the second moment of area, with some questioning the necessity of using mass in certain contexts. The original poster expresses confusion about the use of area in the formula and its implications for units. Others suggest that for uniform density, area can be used effectively in calculations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations being explored regarding the terminology and application of moment of inertia versus second moment of area. Some participants provide insights into the geometric implications of using area, while others emphasize the importance of clarity in terminology to avoid confusion.

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There is mention of the original poster's inability to provide the full problem statement, which may limit the context for some participants. Additionally, the conversation touches on the historical usage of terms and their relevance in current discussions.

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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


I=1/12*bh^2+Md^2

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for the highlighted 600mm^2 (and the 300mm^2 below) in the middle of the page,
when finding the moment of inertia, what the solution used is an area, yet for related formula required the use as for mass in the part Md^2.
why should area is used here? is Ad^2 having a contradict unit with moment of inertia?
sorry for unable to type out the whole problem statement out and thank you very much
 

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If this was a thin slice with this profile, you could find the MI using the mass, with mass = area* thickness* density. If the density is uniform, the MI is proportional to the area, so you don't need to know the thickness and density - you can work it out using the area, and the results are (geometrically) the same. I in this case is called (I think) the second moment of area, and is what you use in cases like this, where the stress depends on the geometry of the beam but not its mass. (You would need MI if you were looking at e.g. rotational kinetic energy).
 
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The bending moment equation is
bending stress = moment * distances to most distant fibre/(area moment of inertia)
There is no need to discuss thin slices, etc. Simply calculate the area moment of inertia with with respect to the neutral axis and move on.
 
Moment of inertia is a misnomer borrowed from dynamics. In statics it should be the second moment of area. If you have a rotating mass, angular inertia = ∑ dm x2. But the second moment of area is ∑ dA x2. The formulae have a similar format.
 
Agreed that the term "second moment of area" is correct, but to call "area moment of inertia" a misnomer is a bit of a stretch. Both usages are long established, and not really confusing to anyone who pays attention. I've heard both of these terms all of my professional life, but then, I'm new to the area, only 50 year since my PhD in mechanics.
 
Dr.D said:
Agreed that the term "second moment of area" is correct, but to call "area moment of inertia" a misnomer is a bit of a stretch. Both usages are long established, and not really confusing to anyone who pays attention. I've heard both of these terms all of my professional life, but then, I'm new to the area, only 50 year since my PhD in mechanics.
The OP did not write "area moment of inertia":
yecko said:
when finding the moment of inertia
Thus, it was strictly incorrect, and that inexactitude strongly relates to the OP's confusion.

Beyond that, yes it is and always has been a misnomer to describe it as some kind of inertia, for obvious reasons. We should not perpetuate such barriers to understanding just because we old guard are used to it.
 
haruspex said:
Beyond that, yes it is and always has been a misnomer to describe it as some kind of inertia, for obvious reasons. We should not perpetuate such barriers to understanding just because we old guard are used to it.

Oh, my! How could I possibly challenge such magisterial authority! Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa!
 
Dr.D said:
Oh, my! How could I possibly challenge such magisterial authority! Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa!
Don't forget the Hail Marys.
 

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