Why Was My First Attempt Wrong in Calculating iPod Probability?

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The discussion revolves around a probability problem involving the likelihood of students owning iPods, specifically focusing on the calculation of the probability that at least one out of 20 randomly selected students has an iPod. The conversation includes attempts to clarify the correct approach to solving the problem and the misunderstanding of complementary probabilities.

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  • One participant presents a solution using binomial distribution, calculating the probability of exactly 10 students having iPods.
  • Another participant questions how the probability of no students having iPods was calculated.
  • A different participant explains that to find the probability of exactly 10 students having iPods, one must consider all configurations and multiply the probability of one configuration by the number of configurations (20 choose 10).
  • There is a reiteration of the participant's first attempt, emphasizing the misunderstanding of the complementary probability, suggesting that the complement of "10 out of 20 have an iPod" is not simply "10 out of 20 do not have iPods." Instead, it includes all other possible outcomes.

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Participants express differing views on the correct interpretation of complementary probabilities. There is no consensus on the misunderstanding of the initial approach, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct method to calculate the desired probability.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential limitations in understanding complementary probabilities and the need for clarity in defining what constitutes the complement in this context.

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Readers interested in probability theory, particularly in understanding binomial distributions and complementary events, may find this discussion relevant.

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Here is a problem that I found in a library book.

In Canada, 38% of all students have an iPod. What is the probability that 10 out of 20 randomly selected students have AT LEAST ONE iPod?

This is my CORRECT solution.

It is a binomial distribution. So, I do P(having an iPod) = 0.38 which is the success

20 choose 10 times (.38)^10 times (.62)^10 = 0.097

I happened to come up with the correct solution after my first attempt.

In my first attempt, this is what I did.

P(at least one iPod) = 1 - P(no iPod) which gives the wrong answer.


Why is my first attempt wrong? Please explain.
 
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How did you calculate P(no iPod)?
 
First you note down the chance of each configuration to happen, that is just multiply together the probabilities of each event in solitude. Now it doesn't matter which 10 of the 20 students that got ipods, so you got to add together the probabilities of all configurations which have 10 students with ipods. But since all configurations have the same probability you just multiply the probability of one with the number of configurations which is just 20 chose 10.
 
davedave said:
In my first attempt, this is what I did.

P(at least one iPod) = 1 - P(no iPod) which gives the wrong answer.

Why is my first attempt wrong? Please explain.
What you most likely did is to misunderstand what is the correct complimentary probability in this case.

Think about it. The complement of "10 out of 20 have and ipod" is definitely not the same thing as "10 our of 20 do not have ipod's"!

So what then is the correct complement? It is that some proportion other than 10 out of 20 (eg 0/20 1/20 2/20 … 9/20 11/20 ... 20/20) have an ipod.

Do you see your mistake now?
 

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