Why will this function always be an integer?

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The discussion centers around the function f(n) defined as the product of integers from 1 to n, specifically exploring whether the expression f(n)/(f(r).f(n-r)) is always an integer for integers r and n where 0 < r < n. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and attempts to prove the claim.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that f(n)/(f(r).f(n-r)) is true for several cases but seeks a proof for all integers.
  • Another participant questions whether r and n are integers, indicating the need for clarity in definitions.
  • There is a suggestion that the notation x means multiplication, with a preference for clearer symbols.
  • One participant references the binomial coefficient, asserting that it is always an integer, which may relate to the original claim.
  • Another participant argues that the claim is trivially true due to the closure of integers under multiplication, although this is contested due to the presence of division in the expression.
  • Several participants express confusion over the notation and the definition of the "." operator, indicating a need for clarification.
  • A participant introduces the concept of the hyperfactorial, suggesting that it should also yield integers, but acknowledges uncertainty regarding larger values of n.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of proving that the expression remains an integer despite the division involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the clarity of the notation and the implications of division in the expression. While some assert that the expression is always an integer, others highlight the need for proof and clarification, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the definitions used, particularly the notation for multiplication and the operator in the expression. The discussion also reflects uncertainty about the behavior of the function as n increases.

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f(n) is defined as 11x22x33...xnn

Then it seems as if f(n)/(f(r).f(n-r)) is always an integer for 0 < r < n.
I tried a few cases. Its true for them. Is it always true? I cannot seem to figure out any ways to prove it.
 
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I presume r and n are integers?
 
x means multiplication? * would be clearer.

You can prove it with the fact that ##{n \choose c} = \frac{n!}{c! (n-c)!}## is always an integer.
 
It is trivially true since the set of all integers is closed under the operation of multiplication (exponentiation being a special case of multiplication).
 
There is a division...
 
mfb said:
There is a division...
I think I might have missread the f(n)/(f(r).f(n-r)) statement in the OP by reading to quickly. When I look at it now it makes no sense at all unless someone defines the "."-operator.
 
I assumed it to be a multiplication, too.
 
This is the "hyperfactorial", ##H(n)## (assuming the x is multiplication). It is defined as
##H(n) = \prod_{i=1}^{n} i^i ##.
Just by looking at it, I don't see any reason to believe it wouldn't be an integer at any point. I don't know if there's an explicit proof of this out there, but generally, an integer multiplied any number of times by itself is an integer, and when added to another integer that has undergone the same process, it should still be an integer. Of course, ##n## can be really large, so I can't say with any certainty what happens as the product has more and more (perhaps infinite) terms.
Interesting question--I'm curious now!
I'd love for other members to contribute to this.
 
There is a division! It makes the question not trivial. Here it is in red:
Avichal said:
f(n)/[/color](f(r).f(n-r))
$$\frac{f(n)}{f(r)f(n-r)}$$

Still always an integer, but you have to prove it.
 

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