Why Won't Earth Fall into the Sun?

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The discussion centers around the question of why Earth and other planets do not fall into the Sun despite being in orbit. Participants explore concepts related to gravitational forces, energy conservation, and the dynamics of orbital motion.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that gravity does not require energy to function, and thus planets do not run out of energy while in orbit.
  • Others argue that a system loses energy through mechanisms like friction and thermal losses, but question how this applies to planets in stable orbits around the Sun.
  • One participant emphasizes that an object in motion remains in motion unless acted upon by an external force, asserting that Earth will not fall into the Sun.
  • Another participant introduces the idea that dust in the solar system acts as a form of friction, albeit a minor one, which could have effects over billions of years.
  • Some participants mention that gravitational interactions with other celestial bodies can alter orbits, suggesting a complex interplay of energy loss and gain over time.
  • A later reply notes that while it is theoretically possible for Earth to eventually spiral into the Sun, this would take billions of years and is contingent on many factors.
  • One participant disputes the notion that planets will run out of energy, arguing that any drag forces from gases in the inner solar system are likely insignificant over the Sun's lifespan.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the mechanisms affecting planetary orbits and energy dynamics, with no consensus reached on the implications of these factors for Earth's long-term stability in its orbit.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge various influences on orbital dynamics, including gravitational nudges and potential external disruptions, but do not resolve the complexities involved in these interactions.

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If the planets are constantly orbiting the Sun won't they eventually run out of energy, succumb to the gravitational pull and fall into the Sun?
They don't seem to be doing... why not?
 
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Because gravity doesn't require energy for it to work. The gravity is always them same for the planets so that the work does not chage if there's no chage in work there's no energy required.
I think your going to need some other member to explain it better to you.
 
FeynmanMH42 said:
If the planets are constantly orbiting the Sun won't they eventually run out of energy, succumb to the gravitational pull and fall into the Sun?
They don't seem to be doing... why not?


Stop and think.

What causes a system to lose energy? Things like friction, cooling losses of thermal energy, etc. But how is an object in orbit around the sun going to lose kinetic energy to friction (granted, objects in low Earth orbit do, but they're not really beyond the atmosphere, there is still a lot of matter there, and those objects are very light compared to say a planet. A system doesn't just 'run out' of energy, the energy has to go somewhere, that's the first law of thermodynamics. And in the case of planets in stable orbits around a star, there isn't a significant way to lose any energy.
 
What is in motion will stay in motion until acted upon by an outside force.
Earth is in motion, there is no outside force.

Summary: Earth won't fall.
 
But wait...dust in the solar system is a kind of friction to slow down the Earth. (Granted, it's a small effect...but acting over billions of years...plus, there's the increase in mass (again, small) of the planet which affects the gravitational interaction.)

Anyway, planets' orbits can and do change due to gravitational nudges from other planets, passing stars, etc. The interaction is complex...lose some energy here...gain some there...over and over throughout its existence. The current planets in the solar system are in what turned out to be the stable/safer orbits.

Unless something wild happens (rouge interstellar body messing up our solar system in the distant future?), the net energy loss should be negligible such that the end of the Earth won't be it spiraling into the sun but rather the sun expanding out to the Earth's orbit when it becomes a red giant.
 
Simple orbital systems [e.g., binary neutron stars] do bleed off momentum via gravitational waves and can eventually collide. Absent external influences, as mentioned by other posters, it is theoretically possible the Earth could inspiral and eventually merge with the sun: albeit would take many billions of years [emphasis on many].
 
Phobos said:
But wait...dust in the solar system is a kind of friction to slow down the Earth. (Granted, it's a small effect...but acting over billions of years...plus, there's the increase in mass (again, small) of the planet which affects the gravitational interaction.)

Anyway, planets' orbits can and do change due to gravitational nudges from other planets, passing stars, etc. The interaction is complex...lose some energy here...gain some there...over and over throughout its existence. The current planets in the solar system are in what turned out to be the stable/safer orbits.

Unless something wild happens (rouge interstellar body messing up our solar system in the distant future?), the net energy loss should be negligible such that the end of the Earth won't be it spiraling into the sun but rather the sun expanding out to the Earth's orbit when it becomes a red giant.

I'm not disputing that orbits can change under various influences. I'm disputing the form of the original question "Won't they run out of energy?".

That said, I would be surprised to find that any drag force on the Earth from the gases in the inner solar system was significant, even over the entire lifespan of the sun (with the possible exceptions of the planetary nebual phase, and the planetary formation phase, but even then I would still be surprised).
 
Arian said:
What is in motion will stay in motion until acted upon by an outside force.
Earth is in motion, there is no outside force.

Summary: Earth won't fall.

The Earth is moving under the force of gravity. An object in motion continues in a straight line, unless acted on by a force. The Earth is orbiting in an ellipse.
 

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