Will the Cosmos Expand Forever or Collapse?

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The discussion centers on the fate of the cosmos, specifically whether it will expand indefinitely or eventually collapse. Participants explore theoretical models, observational evidence, and mathematical formulations related to cosmic expansion, including the implications of the Friedmann-Lemaître-Robertson-Walker models and a cubic equation representing the scale factor.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference a cubic equation related to the scale factor, suggesting that if it has no real solution, perpetual expansion is expected.
  • Others argue that observational evidence supports a universe that expands forever but does not definitively classify it as open or closed.
  • One participant challenges the notion of a "big crunch," asserting that the arrow of time prevents the universe from collapsing back to the same point in spacetime as the Big Bang.
  • Another participant emphasizes that every cubic equation has a real solution, suggesting that the conditions for valid solutions must be specified clearly.
  • There is a discussion about whether the cubic equation captures all necessary information to predict the cosmos's fate, including density parameters of matter and vacuum.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of the cubic equation and the nature of cosmic expansion. There is no consensus on whether the universe will ultimately collapse or expand forever, and multiple competing perspectives remain unresolved.

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Participants note the importance of defining conditions for valid solutions to the cubic equation and the implications of observational data, which may not provide clear predictions about the universe's overall geometry.

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Will the cosmos expand forever or the expansion will stop and then the whole universe collapses to that point of spacetime from which the big bang started?

Carroll (2004) shows that this will become clear in a formula that shows the fate of the cosmos:

Ω0a^3+(1- ΩM0- Ω)a+ ΩM0=0

This simple cubic equation in terms of a, the scale factor, gives us predictive power. If there is no real solution to it then we have to expect “perpetual” expansion. And the current experimental data indeed favor such an open ended cosmic future.

What do you think about this conclusion?
 
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I am not sure what it is that you are asking.

Yes, observational evidence, when combined standard Friedmann-Lemaitre-Robertson-Walker models, strongly favours a universe that expands forever.

The same observation evidence and models, however, make no strong prediction about whether the universe is open or closed, i.e.., the universe seems to be very near the borderline.
 
victorvmotti said:
Will the cosmos expand forever or the expansion will stop and then the whole universe collapses to that point of spacetime from which the big bang started?

It can't possibly collapse to the same point in spacetime where it started because the arrow of time only goes one way.

The "big crunch" scenario was in favor before accelerated expansion was discovered a couple of decades ago but is now widely regarded as not what's going to happen.

EDIT: I should add that the term "point in spacetime" should, I think, be taken to mean not just a particular point in time but also a particular point in space and since the big bang did not happen at a point in space, that's another reason why saying that it could go back to the "same" point in spacetime is impossible.
 
victorvmotti said:
This simple cubic equation in terms of a, the scale factor, gives us predictive power. If there is no real solution to it then we have to expect “perpetual” expansion. And the current experimental data indeed favor such an open ended cosmic future.
What do you think about this conclusion?
I think that every cubic equation has a real solution.
 
Bill_K said:
I think that every cubic equation has a real solution.

Carroll should have specified explicitly that turn-around values of the scale factor ##a## need to be real and positive, i.e., only positive solutions of the cubic are physically valid. He produces the real, positive solutions.
 
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Great feedback.

Yes, he begins by seeing when the Hubble parameter passes through zero, changes sign, from positive to negative, and then arrives at this cubic equation in terms of the scale factor.

I was wondering if this cubic equation captures all information and related values, here only density parameters of matter and vacuum, to predict the fate of the cosmos, either a crunch or a perpetual expansion.
 

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