Will the Universe Really End Up Filled with Black Holes?

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The discussion revolves around the fate of the universe, particularly whether it will ultimately be filled with black holes. Participants explore various theories and models related to stellar evolution, black hole formation, and the implications of cosmic expansion.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that as stars evolve and die, black holes are created, leading to a universe potentially filled with black holes.
  • Another participant references a survey by Krauss and Scherrer, indicating that the LambdaCDM model predicts a future where evidence of Hubble expansion diminishes, but does not definitively state that the universe will be filled with black holes.
  • It is noted that most stars do not end their lives as black holes, but rather as remnants that cool down, with the possibility of coalescing into larger masses over time.
  • A participant mentions Carl Sagan's perspective on black holes potentially destroying the universe, contrasting it with the idea of a supermassive explosion resulting from galactic collisions.
  • Another participant emphasizes that not all stars form black holes, particularly those below a certain mass threshold, and discusses the implications of spacetime curves in a universe populated by black holes.
  • One participant highlights the decreasing star formation rate and increasing metallicity of the interstellar medium, arguing that these factors will reduce the likelihood of future stars becoming black holes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the fate of the universe, with no consensus on whether it will ultimately be filled with black holes. There is acknowledgment that not all stars will become black holes, and differing opinions on the implications of cosmic expansion and stellar evolution.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about stellar mass and metallicity affecting black hole formation, as well as the dependence on the LambdaCDM model's predictions for the universe's future.

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I am just thinking, stars are born, evolve and die, black hole are created, develope.. so in the end, the universe would be filled with black holes. Will it be the final scene of the universe or what else can it be? It's nice to hear your answer or any comments.
 
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best recent survey of expected late-time universe
http://arxiv.org/abs/0704.0221
The Return of a Static Universe and the End of Cosmology
Lawrence M. Krauss (1,2), Robert J. Scherrer (2) ((1) Case Western Reserve University, (2) Vanderbilt University)
(Submitted on 2 Apr 2007 (v1), last revised 27 Jun 2007

Abstract: We demonstrate that as we extrapolate the current LambdaCDM universe forward in time, all evidence of the Hubble expansion...
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LambdaCDM is the standard model they use these days, and best fit to the tons of data they have

Krauss is a top cosmologist, world class.

So this is the horse's mouth. If you want a mainstream cosmology view of eventual situation.

BTW most stars, overwhelming percentage, do NOT form black holes when they die.
they form dead remnants that gradually cool down to the temp of the surrounding space.

I suppose, given long enough, these dead remnants might be able to coallesce into larger masses that might collapse to hole. I don't know. MAYBE the eventual scene will be dominated by black holes. But it is not obvious because most stars arent massive enough to result in black hole collapse

Check out what Krauss says, he would know.
 
Well, Carl Sagan wrote a book about how black holes destroy the universe (assuming that it is non-stationary). However, seeing that the universe is rapidly expanding, the end of the universe is probably not going to be that, but maybe some super massive explosion will occur due to the the constant collisions between galaxies, black holes, matter, and other stuff, other than that, maybe Barney will just Kill us all!
-Rubecuber
 
pixel01 said:
I am just thinking, stars are born, evolve and die, black hole are created, develope.. so in the end, the universe would be filled with black holes. Will it be the final scene of the universe or what else can it be? It's nice to hear your answer or any comments.

what u told is right from some point of view but i would like to say that all stars die but eventually some of them exceed 3.4sloarmass and end up with a black hole. ALL STARS DONOT FORM BLACKHOLES. on the other hand we talk about space time curves and use them as space co-ordinates. but if there r black holes everywhere then those curves would form geodisc and eventually the final space time curve would be zero due to BLACKHOLE SINGULARITY.
 
star formation rate are decreasing, the metalicity of the ISM are increasing that will
affect the star formation rate. Also the inital mass function (ISM) are changing due to higher metallicity of ISM. (ISM = interstellar medium, the gas which stars are borned from). And not all starts developes into BH, it depends on mass and metallicty. The higher metallicity and mass, the more probable to become a BH, therefore almost no stars which are born today will become BH, and even less in the future etc.

So the universe will not end up as a buch of BH.
 

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