Wingtip vortices in a wingsuit.

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The discussion centers on the aerodynamic effects of wingtip vortices produced by a wingsuit flyer, particularly how these vortices interact with the leg-wing during flight. Participants explore the implications for drag and glide ratios in the context of wingsuit design and performance.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that wingtip vortices from a wingsuit may not significantly affect drag due to the relatively small weight of the human compared to the overall drag of the wingsuit.
  • Another participant raises the possibility that the angle of attack and positioning of the arms could allow vortices to interact with the leg-wing, questioning whether this interaction increases or decreases drag.
  • A different viewpoint argues that vortices typically harm laminar flow and that no known aircraft benefits from parts flying into their own vortices, implying a negative impact on performance.
  • One participant seeks to clarify the difference in aerodynamic drag experienced by the leg-wing in still air versus in "vortice-affected" air, emphasizing the need for a comparative analysis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the significance and impact of wingtip vortices on drag, with no consensus reached on whether these vortices are beneficial or detrimental to the leg-wing's performance.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of the aerodynamic interactions involved, including factors like glide ratio, angle of attack, and the specific geometry of the wingsuit, which remain unresolved in the discussion.

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If you are not familiar with what a wingsuit is- you should google it.
Now...
Let's assume we have ourselves a wingsuit flyer in flight (or rather glide). Let's assume the arm-wings produce vortices on the wingtips and that these vortices hit the wingtips of the leg-wing ( which are where the feet are ).
Does that increase or reduce drag on the leg-wing?
What do you think is the effect of the arm-wing downwash on the leg wing?
(glide ratios for wingsuits are about 3:1 nowadays)


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I doubt wingtip vortices from such a small falling weight as a human are a significant drag force, compared to the overall drag of the "aircraft". In addition, the arms are usually spread wider than the feet. Finally, it seems to me that for a glide ratio of 3:1, the legs would constantly remain below the vortices' path.
 
As for the vortice-path and glide ratio- the vortice may hit the feet. The angle of attack varies, and the hands may be positioned in such a way that the vortice lines go 'through' the feet (leg-wing wingtips).
IF they do, even if thay are small, do they increase drag on the legs or do they decrease it?
 
I can't see how it can help, and my best argument is that I can't think of any aircraft that has any parts of itself flying into its own vortices. In general, they harm laminar flow. I think you would need a very special and particular geometry for vortices to be somehow helpful to flight, and I'm not aware of any such geometry at the moment.
 
Let me then put it this way. The leg-wing of the wingsuit (and let's concentrate on the wingtips / feet) gliding through :
1) still air
2) "vortice-affected" air
What will be the difference in aerodynamic DRAG that the leg-wing experiences in 1) and 2) ?
 

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