COVID Reaction to COVID-19 Vaccine (or what to be prepared for)

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The discussion revolves around personal experiences with the Moderna vaccine, particularly the second dose. One participant documented their side effects, which included soreness, fatigue, fever, and brain fog, lasting for about a month. They noted a heavier reaction compared to their wife and neighbor, who experienced milder symptoms. The log detailed various symptoms over several days, including temperature fluctuations and low energy, eventually returning to normal after about 30 days. Other participants shared their own experiences, highlighting a range of reactions from mild soreness to significant fatigue and fever. It was noted that younger individuals often reported more pronounced side effects, particularly after the second dose. The conversation also touched on the importance of the immune response to the vaccine and the general trend of side effects being common but varying widely among individuals. Overall, the thread emphasizes the variability of vaccine reactions and the importance of personal accounts in understanding the vaccine's effects.
  • #271
Slightly sore arm at injection point, and the world's tiniest headache from the first jab - I told the nurse not to list the headache and mentioned the nocebo effect. She smiled at that (knowledgable lady) and didn't enter it as a reported side effect. Headache lasted less than an hour (I had to keep checking to detect it, it was that weak), slightly sore arm lasted about two days. Tomorrow I get my fourth jab. I normally get a slightly sore arm from flu injections too. Tommorrow, I might report anything different about how I feel.Now I personally object to huge lists of side effects that include those one person in 100,000 or even 1,000,000 will get. (You see these listed on every medication in the UK. Because if you tell someone about a side effect, no matter how trivial, they will watch for that effect - that's how I noticed my tiniest of tiny headaches, that lasted for less than an hour at the most. If you tell someone a side effect is a sore elbow on the arm not injected and someone bumps that elbow on the bedroom door and wakes up the next day with a sore elbow, they will report it as a side effect.

I remember the scares about how x people have died within seven days of having the jab (this was reported by government and in facebook posts, and we all know how reliable facebook is)! So I looked up the death rates as reported over several previous years, to get the weekly numbers you'd expect to die in any week at that various times of year. Guess what - less people died among the reported number jabbed in these weeks than normally died among that sample size in an average week / year. I checked multiple weeks, same result. I checked for outlier years, but even taking the worst year, it was still true! So Covid-19 vaccines obviously must be preventing normal death. Lengthening your life, even if Covid didn't exist! Now that was personal research into 35,000,000 "participants", a large sample in anyone's view. So I must be correct. Think I should publish this?

There have been many investigations into the nocebo effect, where people are given a drink or jab that is actually pure water, then told the side effects to watch for. Many report the side effects they have just been told about, even if it is just invented for the experiment. The BBC did a program about three years ago, I think, where they told a group of about 30 - 35 people they would be drinking water with a higher dose of Vitamin C than in normal drinks, and side effect symptoms to watch out for from vitamin C. Totally made up symptoms, or we'd all get them from eating apples and oranges. About half reported some symptoms. But some reported having several of the worst symptoms (four or five people, if I remember correctly) and had to withrawn from the experiment by about day three as they were feeling so very ill! From drinking water.
(A bit like a woman in a shop last week who, when chatting to the till operator said she couldn't drink water without feeling sick, but she could drink beer and lemonade and milk - even though I gave her strong hints about how much water was in milk, beer, etc, she was adamant water that made her sick.)

It's the same with suger or e-numbers making children hyperactive. One investigation took groups of parents and their child. The parents watched through a one-way mirror and accessed if their child, after drinking what turned out to be just water, became hyperactive. Those who were told it was laced with lots of sugar or e-numbers often reported hyperactivity. While those told their child was drinking water reported no hyperactivity in their child, but said "just look at the other lot's kids, bouncing off the walls"!
 
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  • #272
Influenza and Covid vaccine today.
First time, I did not think to ask this time as I am not great with injections but I was given no literature.
2022 was bivalent Covid and Quadrivalent Influenza A.
 
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  • #273
Must add that nurses are great. While I was explaining that am not good with needles she just shushed me up, ordered me to sit and relax. Said she would not hurt me and she would count to three, she lied, she got to two.
She also shouted at me for tensing! DROP your shoulder!! Perhaps it's just Manc nurses?
She smiled the whole time.
Ultimate respect, they see the absolute worst that can happen to a person, modest salary, then go home and ask their partners how their day has been.
 
  • #274
I'd had a standard under-the-weather bug from the temperature bouncing up and down so much, lately. My standard response is to bundle up in socks/sweats/scarf for a couple of days while consuming vast quantities of NeoCitran and chicken soup, and binging whatever on the tube.

I thought I was over it and took a flu shot in one arm and the latest Covid in the other.

Knocked me right out for the weekend.
 
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hmmm27 said:
Knocked me right out for the weekend.
They vaxxed you even though you were under the weather? Or did you check the wrong box on the survey form while in line for the vax? :wink:
 
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  • #276
Going in for the flu shot today, but will need to postpone the booster, as I finally got Covid about 3 weeks ago.
 
  • #277
Beware the long Covid. Friends who are still affected. I have avoided infection (so far).
 
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  • #278
I had posted about getting vaccines for Covid (SARS-Cov-2), RSV and Influenza.

Only a bit of soreness at the injection site of one (don't remember which one, but it might have been RSV adjacent to Covid in my left deltoid). I lifted weights before and after. I didn't feel any effects, e.g., fatigue or other noteworthy reaction.

https://www.physicsforums.com/threa...9-version-ba-2-ba-4-ba-5.1012505/post-6938939

https://www.physicsforums.com/threa...9-version-ba-2-ba-4-ba-5.1012505/post-6939180

Lots of folks around us have developed Covid following group gatherings, some for a second time. It's still going around, and some folks, usually older are being hospitalized.
 
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I'm really on the fence. I had a Gillain-Barre variant six years ago (perhaps flu-vaccine related) so I am a little bit vaccine averse. Also I do believe that the degree to which the mRNA vaccinations were ineffective in control of transmission itself was willfully underemphasized in the original publicity from CDC and pharma. That being said, the mRNA vaccine saved many many lives and was a triumph. I think I will likely not reboost......already I have eschewed influenza vaccine since (because of) my bad autoimmune response (life is better with myelin!!).
 
  • #280
Astronuc said:
I had posted about getting vaccines for Covid (SARS-Cov-2), RSV and Influenza.

Only a bit of soreness at the injection site of one (don't remember which one, but it might have been RSV adjacent to Covid in my left deltoid). I lifted weights before and after. I didn't feel any effects, e.g., fatigue or other noteworthy reaction.

https://www.physicsforums.com/threa...9-version-ba-2-ba-4-ba-5.1012505/post-6938939

https://www.physicsforums.com/threa...9-version-ba-2-ba-4-ba-5.1012505/post-6939180

Lots of folks around us have developed Covid following group gatherings, some for a second time. It's still going around, and some folks, usually older are being hospitalized.
I'm still in bed from 9pm Wed. I think I was the same last year.
 
  • #281
To add another anecdote: I received the latest influenza and RSV vaccines back in October, one in each arm. I noticed no reaction from the RSV site and minor discomfort from flu. I felt a little "under the weather" the next day but exercised (swam) as usual.

Received Moderna booster for Covid-19 Monday. Noticed minor swelling at injection site and a sore arm for about two days reminiscent of throwing, punches or baseballs, too much. Oddly, the opposite arm muscle also twinges making me think I strained my arms a bit while exercising rather than only a reaction to the booster.
 
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  • #282
hutchphd said:
I'm really on the fence. I had a Gillain-Barre variant six years ago (perhaps flu-vaccine related) so I am a little bit vaccine averse. Also I do believe that the degree to which the mRNA vaccinations were ineffective in control of transmission itself was willfully underemphasized in the original publicity from CDC and pharma. That being said, the mRNA vaccine saved many many lives and was a triumph. I think I will likely not reboost......already I have eschewed influenza vaccine since (because of) my bad autoimmune response (life is better with myelin!!).
I think they were predicting the effect on transmission based on the experience with other vaccines, the lack of effect on transmission came as an unpleasant surprise. Now of course most countries have decided the high levels of immunity in the population with the protection from severe disease has altered the balance of risks significantly. So most are now only recommending that if people have had the full course of vaccinations and the booster, against Covid, then they don't need another booster, unless they fall into a group considered to be at increased risk. It may be that the generally lower rate of vaccine uptake in the USA has been a factor in the recommendations there.
 
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  • #283
After having skipped the Summer version, I got the Fall version of the Moderna co-valent vaccine.

About 4pm on October 31 I received the the Moderna vaccine, lets call this Hour 0. I've had the Moderna vaccines in the past without serious side effects.

Hour 4: Very sleepy, go to bed

Hour ??: Sometime during the night I awaken shivering rather energetically. It shortly subsides and I get up for a bathroom run. That is when I find my legs won't straighten all the way. I make it to the bathroom with my legs half bent. When I try to stand up straight I lose muscle control and my knees go back to half folded.

Hour 12?: Dozing and nauseaus. Ask wife to bring a barf-bag (plastic shopping bag inside a paper shopping bag). She brings casserole dish. Several words later she brings a barf-bag. Fortunately it wasn't needed after all.

Hour 16: Get up after 12hrs. of sleep feeling low on energy and a bit foggy-brained.

Hour 20:I decide to read the vaccine Information Sheet I was given after the injection. On the bottom of the back page, in Section 5 What if there is a serious problem, it states "... If you see signs of a serious allergic reaction (hives, swelling of the face and throat, difficulty breathing, fast heartbeat, dizziness, or weakness), <underline added> call 9-1-1 and get the person to the nearest hospital.

Seek medical attention right away if the vaccinated person experiences chest pain, shortness of breath, or feelings of having a fast-beating, fluttering , or pounding heart after COVID-19 vaccination. ...


Check Pulse Rate and Blood Pressure. Pulse +30%, BP -20%.

I did not detect any heart involvment at the time.

After 4 days I was mostly back to normal, tiring a bit easily though and some minor brain-fog hanging around.

Here it is 10 days after the vax and I seem to be sleeping a bit more and perhaps some memory-recall problems.

I think I will change brands for the next vax!

Cheers,
Tom
 
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  • #284
Last week, my wife got the Moderna booster vaccine and influenza vaccine this time - one in each arm. She had no discernible reaction, other than some pain where she received the flu vaccine. Most of the folks I know who got the Moderna vaccines had reactions in which they were tired/fatigued.

I've gotten the Pfizer vaccine and boosters, and so far, no significant reaction, even with RSV and Influenza simultaneously.
 
  • #285
Laroxe said:
I think they were predicting the effect on transmission based on the experience with other vaccines, the lack of effect on transmission came as an unpleasant surprise.
Indeed, my Thai girlfriend commented on this: " Me no have vaccine no covid" And regarding her girlfriend: " She have vaccine but now she have covid "
 
  • #286
morrobay said:
Indeed, my Thai girlfriend commented on this: " Me no have vaccine no covid" And regarding her girlfriend: " She have vaccine but now she have covid "
Well, it takes all kinds of idiots to make up this world.
 
  • #287
It's an idea you have to be careful about, while the vaccine isn't particularly brilliant at preventing infection, it does seem to be very effective in preventing infection developing into a very serious or life-threatening disease. Using Thailand as an example, Covid has been linked to around 35,000 premature deaths, but the rate of deaths fell rapidly following the introduction of vaccination. Across the whole world, it has been the unvaccinated who have suffered the greatest risk of death, but we are now reaching the point at which few people have not had some exposure to this virus.

We are entering a whole new era in medicine with manipulating our own immune system using vaccines or drugs is becoming a major part of the prevention and treatment of loads of diseases, this is already the case with many cancers, vaccines are also being developed for many killer diseases and even to increase our lifespan directly. Unfortunately, whatever people feel about the Covid 19 vaccines, the fashion associated with vaccine refusal has already led to a resurgence in diseases that were previously well controlled.
 
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  • #288
Long covid has been discussed previously.

This study in the BMJ today showing the protection of the vaccine against long covid. https://www.bmj.com/content/383/bmj-2023-076990

CDC view which already states this protection the vaccine gives in the summary.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/long-term-effects/index.html

This article from January this year, documented 650 million Covid cases with approximately 10% of those leading to long Covid.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41579-022-00846-2
 

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