Wood Ash vs Charcoal Fertilizer: Comparing Nutrients

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The discussion centers on the comparison of wood ash and charcoal as fertilizers, exploring their nutrient content, effectiveness, and potential benefits for gardening. Participants examine the chemical properties and agricultural applications of both materials, as well as the concept of biochar.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that wood ash is a good fertilizer due to its high calcium, phosphorus, and potassium content, with specific NPK values depending on the type of wood burned.
  • One participant suggests that charcoal may contain similar nutrients to wood ash but questions whether it can be considered an effective fertilizer due to the presence of carbon, which may dilute nutrient concentrations.
  • Another participant notes that while charcoal retains some nutrients, they may be bound and slower for plants to utilize, and emphasizes that charcoal's role is not as a direct fertilizer but as a soil amendment that helps retain nutrients.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the efficacy of biochar compared to wood ash, with one participant expressing skepticism about biochar's claims and its immediate benefits for plant growth.
  • It is mentioned that charcoal can modify soil structure and act as a buffer, potentially aiding in nutrient retention, though it may not directly provide nutrients like wood ash does.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effectiveness of charcoal and biochar as fertilizers compared to wood ash. There is no consensus on the nutrient availability of charcoal or the validity of biochar claims, indicating ongoing debate and uncertainty.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of nutrient availability in charcoal and biochar, noting that the presence of carbon may affect their utility as fertilizers. The discussion reflects varying experiences and interpretations of scientific claims regarding these materials.

Who May Find This Useful

Gardeners, agricultural scientists, and individuals interested in soil health and fertilization methods may find this discussion relevant.

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I took 2 chemistry classes in college but that was 50 years ago, I have forgotten more than I ever knew. I watched several educational chemistry classes on YouTube then realized it will be a very long time before I can answer this question on my own.

Questions is. Wood ash is an excellent garden fertilizer it contains 20% to 30% calcium depending on the wood that is burned plus it contains, phosphorus and potash = potassium and several trace elements. Wood ash fertilizer is 0-1-3 or 0-1-4 depending on what type wood is burned. 1st number 0 is nitrogen. 2nd number 1 is phosphorus, 3nd number is potassium. After burning a pile of wood there is about 10% charcoal that does not burn up. I assume charcoal contains the same amount of, calcium, potassium, phosphorus, trace elements, as wood ash is that correct? If so then powder charcoal should be a good 0-1-3 or 0-1-4 fertilizer too?
 
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I do know: charcoal would have those nutrients, and slightly more. Because some nutrients are lost during burning through particulates leaving with the smoke. So not all the nutrients make it into ash residue. The nutrients are there, but they may be bound up and slower to utilize for plants.

Also ash can change the pH (acidity) of soils. - see 'using wood ash as a liming agent' in the blue link below.

This is the USDA extension service publication on using ash for fertilizer - from U Maine
https://extension.umaine.edu/publications/2279e/

This has everything you need to know
 
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gary350 said:
...If so then powder charcoal should be a good 0-1-3 or 0-1-4 fertilizer too?
Nope! You need to reduce the wood entirely to ash to see those numbers. The ash contains no carbon but the charcoal has a significant amount. You will have the P and K but it will be diluted by the remaining carbon in the charcoal. No way for us to tell you just what the NPK values would be for the charcoal. A guess would be something on the order of 0-0.25-0.75 or less.
 
On the other hand, maybe you should check on 'biochar' first, before deciding on further action.
 
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On the other hand, maybe you should check on 'biochar' first, before deciding on further action.

I have been using wood ash in my vegetable garden for many years it works great potassium promotes lots of blossoms that turns into lots from vegetables and calcium prevents BER. I was told about Biochar and watched several video and read lots of information then tried it several times but I am not seeding the same good fertilizer from biochar I get from wood ash. Lots of biochar claims but no scientific facts. I know wood ash is instant food for plants, calcium, potassium, phosphorus, but charcoal does not seem to be instant food for plants. It seems to me charcoal is carbon just like dry dead plants are carbon they pull all the nitrogen from the soil so they can decompose.
 
gary350 said:
Lots of biochar claims but no scientific facts.
Sure, that happens every time something got hyped up. Your observation is right: the function of the charcoal in the soil is not directly a fertilizer, since it has barely anything what would be useful for plants. However it acts as a buffer and helps to retain nutrients, just like the natural compost/humus present in the soil: also, it should have no effect on nitrogen, unlike natural compost.
It also can modify the soil structure.

In short: if you already have the charcoal, then it would be a waste to not use it.
 

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