Work-energy problems on a slope

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The discussion revolves around a work-energy problem involving a box projected up a slope, considering forces such as friction and gravity. The problem is set within the context of classical mechanics, specifically focusing on the work-energy principle.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of work done against friction and the forces acting on the box, questioning whether both gravitational and frictional forces should be considered. There is an exploration of the relationship between work done and energy changes, with some participants suggesting a need for clarity on physical versus mathematical correctness.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing different perspectives on the calculations involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of forces and the application of the work-energy theorem, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach.

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Participants are navigating potential misunderstandings regarding the application of the work-energy principle and the forces at play, indicating a need for further clarification on the assumptions made in the problem setup.

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Homework Statement


A box of 2Kg is projected with a speed of 6m/s up a slope at 30* to horizontal. The coeffiecient of friction is 1/3. Use the work energy principle tp calculate the distance traveled by the box before coming to rest.


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When you calculate the work done against friction, why don't you take into account the 2gsin30 force acting downwards and only use Fmax? Surely the force acting on the box is both?


The Attempt at a Solution


KE lost = 0.5 x 2 x 36 = 36J
PE gained = 2 x 9.8 x dsin30 = 9.8d

Work done against friction = Fd = (2gsin30 + 1/3 x 2gcos30) x d= 15.46d
Work done = total loss of energy
15.46d = 36 - 9.8d
d=1.43m
 
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jenny egner said:
When you calculate the work done against friction, why don't you take into account the 2gsin30 force acting downwards and only use Fmax? Surely the force acting on the box is both?

Because the work done against gravity is already taken into account by the change in potential energy.
 
Yeah you actually have it wrong. Work done against friction is
Wf=1/3 * 2gcos30 * d
and work done against gravity is
Wg=2g*d*sin30
which gives you the total work you found. You did it right mathematically, but wrong physically. Doing the physics right is more important than doing the math right.

Also keep in mind that work energy theorem states that change in work equals change in energy, not energy lost equals work done (this is something that is relative).
 
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