Work extracted from a general cycle

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The discussion revolves around the concept of work and heat transfer in thermodynamic cycles, specifically questioning the relationship between the heat supplied to a system and the work done over a complete cycle.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the reasoning behind summing heat contributions over the cycle versus considering heat at individual points. There are questions about the interpretation of the textbook's explanation regarding heat transfer at specific parts of the cycle.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes various interpretations of the heat transfer process, with some participants suggesting that heat enters at multiple points in the cycle, while others express confusion about the implications of the textbook's wording. There is an ongoing exploration of these concepts without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the nature of the questions may not align with typical homework problems, suggesting a potential misplacement of the discussion within the forum context.

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In each cycle, the heat given to the system from the reservoir is dQ##_i##. So, why is the total work given by summing ##dQ_i ## over the cycle,why not only ##dQ_i##?

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Pushoam said:
In each cycle, the heat given to the system from the reservoir is dQ##_i##.
That's not what the text says: "Heat dQi enters at a particular part of the cycle." In the picture, it is represented by the solid arrow.
 
By the way these kind of questions, which are not textbook problems but are related to an understanding of what is in the textbook, are not well suited to the homework forum. Instead, post in General Physics.
 
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DrClaude said:
That's not what the text says: "Heat dQi enters at a particular part of the cycle." In the picture, it is represented by the solid arrow.
So, heat enters only through that particular part of the process. For the rest of the part of the process, the heat doesn't enter the system from the reservoir. This is what I understood.
Does the book mean that the infinitesimal heat enters at all infinitesimal parts of the cycle?
 
DrClaude said:
By the say these kind of questions, which are not textbook problems but are related to an understanding of what is in the textbook, are not well suited to the homework forum. Instead, post in General Physics.
I will take care of this from next time.
 
Pushoam said:
So, heat enters only through that particular part of the process. For the rest of the part of the process, the heat doesn't enter the system from the reservoir. This is what I understood.
That's not correct. Heat ##dQ_i## enters only during part ##i## of the cycle, but heat can enter at other places in the cycle, hence the sum over all the ##dQ_i## during the cycle.
 
DrClaude said:
That's not correct. Heat dQidQidQ_i enters only during part iii of the cycle, but heat can enter at other places in the cycle, hence the sum over all the dQidQidQ_i during the cycle.
O.K.
Now, I understood.
If the whole cycle is divided into n parts, then at ith part, the heat dQi enters the system.
 

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