Work: Pulling a crate attached to a rope

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The problem involves calculating the work done on a crate that is being pulled horizontally while suspended by a rope. The crate has a mass of 306 kg and is pulled a distance of 5.7 m, with a final applied force of 1992.4 N when at rest. The context includes considerations of gravitational potential energy and the relationship between force, displacement, and work.

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  • Participants discuss using the final force value and the displacement to calculate work, considering the geometry of the situation and the angle of force application. There are attempts to relate work done to changes in gravitational potential energy and to clarify the distinction between the work done by the crate and the work done by the person pulling it.

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Participants are exploring different interpretations of the work done, including the relationship between potential energy and the work done by the person. Some guidance has been offered regarding the calculation of work based on changes in height and the forces involved, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach or final answer.

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There are discussions about the assumptions made regarding the force applied and the nature of the work done, including the potential for negative values in work calculations. The participants are also considering the implications of the crate's movement and the angles involved in the setup.

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Homework Statement



Given:
A 306 kg crate hangs from the end of a 10.3 m long rope. You pull horizontally with a varying force to move it a distance d = 5.7 m to the right. The magnitude of the applied force, F, when the crate is at rest in its final position is 1992.4 N.

Question:
What is the work you do on the crate?

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Homework Equations



Work = Force x Displacement x Cos (angle between force and displacement)
Pythagorean Theorem = a^2 + b^2 = c^2


The Attempt at a Solution



To attempt to solve this problem, I assumed 1992.4 N is the force I will be using. I then assumed the displacement would be a right-angled triangle with 5.7 m as the width and the difference between initial height (length of the rope 10.3 m) and final height (which I calculated using Pythagorean theorem to be 8.58m). This right-angled triangle’s hypotenuse, 5.954 m, would be used as my displacement. I then calculated the angle between displacement and force and found that to be 16.8 degrees. Since the motion was pulling and given the displacement, the work done will be a positive value, which I found to be 11356 J or 1.14E+04 J, but this is incorrect. I cannot seem to find a flaw in my reasoning, can you spot anything I’ve forgotten?

I then tried a different approach, calculated the work done by gravitational potential energy to get the work done by the crate. I took this work and assumed it must be equal to the work done by the tension in the y-axis of the string. I used the angle I found with my length dimensions to calculate work done by tension in the x-axis of the string. I assumed it must be equal to the work done by the person. With this I got 3428.3 J, but it was incorrect.
 
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TJDF said:
To attempt to solve this problem, I assumed 1992.4 N is the force I will be using. I then assumed the displacement would be a right-angled triangle with 5.7 m as the width and the difference between initial height (length of the rope 10.3 m) and final height (which I calculated using Pythagorean theorem to be 8.58m). This right-angled triangle’s hypotenuse, 5.954 m, would be used as my displacement. I then calculated the angle between displacement and force and found that to be 16.8 degrees. Since the motion was pulling and given the displacement, the work done will be a positive value, which I found to be 11356 J or 1.14E+04 J, but this is incorrect. I cannot seem to find a flaw in my reasoning, can you spot anything I’ve forgotten?

That's good. You now can figure the difference in height.

I would observe at this point though that all you need now to determine the Work is what the weight is of your object, because the change in Potential Energy will be your Work and that can be found neatly by m*g*h, where h is your change in height.
 
TJDF said:
To attempt to solve this problem, I assumed 1992.4 N is the force I will be using.
The force varies as the crate moves, so you can't just assume this final value throughout.
 
After I calculate the work done by the crate (change in gravitational energy)
which is -5.16E+03 J
What is the next step.
I assume this is equal to my work done by tension in the string.
I multiplied this value by the tan 33.6 to get work done in the x direction, and calculated
3,428.3 J.
I tried this value but it was incorrect. Is it supposed to be negative, or did I do something wrong?
 
TJDF said:
After I calculate the work done by the crate (change in gravitational energy)
which is -5.16E+03 J
What is the next step.
I assume this is equal to my work done by tension in the string.
I multiplied this value by the tan 33.6 to get work done in the x direction, and calculated
3,428.3 J.
I tried this value but it was incorrect. Is it supposed to be negative, or did I do something wrong?

There is no next step. Work done = Change in Potential Energy.

Draw a force diagram. If you know the angle of the string and how much force it takes to hold it there ... then how much does the box weigh at that point? When you figure out its weight, then weight*change in height is work done.
 
but, the " Work done = Change in Potential Energy "
is the work done by the crate. We're looking for the work done by the person.
 
TJDF said:
but, the " Work done = Change in Potential Energy "
is the work done by the crate. We're looking for the work done by the person.

Is the crate at a higher potential energy state?

If so how did it get there?

I don't think the crate has done any work. Its increase in potential energy is from the work of the person.
 
TJDF said:
After I calculate the work done by the crate (change in gravitational energy)
which is -5.16E+03 J
Since the crate rises, the change in PE should be positive.
What is the next step.
There is no next step. You're done.
I assume this is equal to my work done by tension in the string.
Since the tension in the string is always perpendicular to the motion of the crate, it does no work.
TJDF said:
but, the " Work done = Change in Potential Energy "
is the work done by the crate. We're looking for the work done by the person.
As LowlyPion explained, the work done by the person will equal the change in PE.

As an exercise, if you've done a little calculus, calculate the work done directly by figuring out the force at every point as the crate is pulled. Since the force is horizontal, you'll need to take the horizontal component of the displacement at each point. (Essentially, you'd be calculating W = ∫F*dx.) That's one way to verify your answer.
 

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