Worm Species without Males Loses 25% of Genes

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The discussion centers around the evolutionary implications of a species of roundworm that has transitioned from sexual reproduction involving males and females to self-fertilizing hermaphroditism. Participants explore the genetic consequences of this shift, including the loss of genes associated with male reproduction and the potential impacts on genetic diversity.

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  • Some participants note that the roundworm species has lost approximately 25% of its genome due to the transition to hermaphroditism, which involves the loss of male reproductive genes.
  • Others argue that sexual reproduction has significant advantages that the roundworm has forfeited, drawing parallels to other species like dandelions that have also adopted parthenogenesis.
  • A participant questions the understanding of hermaphrodite reproduction, suggesting that traditional hermaphroditism involves gene contributions from two individuals, which may preserve some benefits of sexual reproduction.
  • Further clarification is provided regarding the specific roundworm species, indicating that while many individuals are hermaphroditic, a minority are still male, which may allow for some level of sexual reproduction.
  • Another participant discusses the genetic implications of self-fertilization, highlighting the long-term effects of inbreeding on genetic diversity and heterozygosity.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of hermaphroditism and the extent to which sexual reproduction is preserved in the species. There is no consensus on the overall advantages or disadvantages of this reproductive strategy.

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The discussion reveals uncertainties regarding the specific reproductive mechanisms of the roundworm and the genetic consequences of self-fertilization versus sexual reproduction. Limitations in access to the original article contribute to varying interpretations of the findings.

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Here is an article in the NY times about a species of round worm which evolved from having males and females to having self-fertilizing hermaphrodites.
This released from selective pressure many genes involved in being male and male reproduction. They acquired random mutations until the decayed away over generations. About 1/4 of the genome (7,000 genes) was lost.

Quite a genetic load to carry around and maintain a system of sexual recombination.
 
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Sexual reproduction has a lot of advantages, and this round worm just lost access to them. Dandelions (Taraxacum spp.) did the same thing, parthenogensis. And they seem to be doing exceptionally well, especially in lawns:-p They have also evolved ways of avoiding being mowed. The flower stem is super short compared to ones not inhabiting your lawn. The mower just whizzes on over the flower head. (Un-)Natural Selection?

https://ecos.fws.gov/servcatservices/servcat/v4/rest/DownloadFile/45853?...
 
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jim mcnamara said:
Sexual reproduction has a lot of advantages, and this round worm just lost access to them.
Hi Jim:

I think one of us has misunderstood what the cited paper reports.
BillTre said:
a species of round worm which evolved from having males and females to having self-fertilizing hermaphrodites.
As I understand how ordinary hermaphrodite reproduction works, two individuals contribute genes to an offspring, which preserves the benefits of sexual reproduction. What is missing is just the a distinction between the X and Y chromosome. Each individual hermaphrodite can produce both eggs and sperm. It is sometimes possible for an individual to produce both an egg and sperm, and the sperm fertilizes the individual's own egg, but some hermaphrodite species have mechanisms to avoid this, for example: an individual cannot produce both eggs and sperm at the same time.

I do not have access to the cited article, so I don't know the details of this particular worm's reproductive process.

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I found the following in the Times.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/08/science/worms-selfing-hermaphrodites.html
But only a small minority of C. briggsae are males. The rest are hermaphroditic females that reproduce by self-fertilizing, or selfing. They have evolved the ability to produce sperm that merge with their own eggs.​
This is apparently saying that individuals of this species do fertilize it's own eggs, but the species also has some males which to some limited extent preserves sexual reproduction. There is not enough information in the Times article to make an estimate about how much sexual reproduction takes place.

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https://evolution-institute.org/article/can-hermaphrodites-teach-us-what-it-means-to-be-male/
This article has details about reproduction. The following describes the fraction of individuals which are males.
Many scientists still raise the strain that Sydney Brenner selected in the early 1960s. Those worms will typically produce one new male for every thousand females. The frequency of males can by higher in wild populations, though. In some places, a third of the worms turn out to be male.​

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Buzz
 
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There are self-fertilizing hemaphrodites. They breed with themselves, which is the same genetically as breeding with an identical twin. This is often called "selfing".

In a purely inbreeding population, this will, in the long run, result in a reduction of their genetic heterozygozity (AKA genetic diversity), due to the random mechanisms of inbreeding. Each generation will have the number of genes that are heterozygous reduced by 50%, until the rate of mutation production equals the rate at which gene diversity is lost.
Because there are many different cells undergoing this inbreeding process in parallel, many clones are created that derive from the founder, but which have all taken there own path of homozygozing their genes, so each individual can have different genetics until they are completely inbred.
 

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