Would the equation have at least one solution?

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The discussion revolves around the diophantine equation \(y^2=x^3+7\) and whether it has at least one solution. Participants explore various proofs and reasoning related to the equation's properties, focusing on modular arithmetic and quadratic residues.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that if the equation has a solution, then \(x_0\) must be odd, leading to a modular analysis of \(y_0^2\) and its implications for prime factors.
  • Another participant argues that even if \(-1\) is a quadratic residue modulo \(p\), it does not guarantee a solution to the original equation, citing the difference between modular and general equality.
  • Several participants provide a proof assuming \(x\) is even, concluding that \(x\) must be odd, and further analyzing the implications of \(x\) being \(1\) or \(3\) modulo \(4\).
  • A participant questions how to conclude that \(x \equiv 3 \pmod{4}\), prompting further exploration of the conditions under which \(y^2 + 1\) is divisible by primes of the form \(3 \pmod{4}\).
  • Another participant introduces a claim regarding integers of the form \(a^2 + b^2\) and their divisibility by integers of the form \(3 \pmod{4}\), inviting others to prove this claim.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the oddness of \(x\) and the modular properties involved, but multiple competing views and proofs are presented without a consensus on the existence of a solution to the equation.

Contextual Notes

The discussion involves various assumptions about the properties of numbers in modular arithmetic, and the implications of these properties on the existence of solutions to the diophantine equation remain unresolved.

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Hi! (Cool)

In order to show that the diophantine equation $y^2=x^3+7$ has no solution, we do the following:

If the equation would have a solution, let $(x_0,y_0)$, $y_0^2=x_0^3+7$, then $x_0$ is odd.

$$y_0^2=x_0^3+7 \Rightarrow y_0^2+1=x_0^3+8=(x_0+2)(x_0^2-2x_0+4)=(x_0+2)[(x_0-1)^2+3]$$

$(x_0-1)^2+3 \in \mathbb{N} \text{ and } (x_0-1)^2+3>1$.

It stands that $(x_0-1)^2+3 \equiv 3 \pmod{4}$.

So, $(x_0-1)^2+3$ has at least one prime divisor of the form $p \equiv 3 \pmod 4$, so:

$$(x_0-1)^2+3 \equiv 0 \pmod p, \text{ where } p \equiv 3 \pmod 4$$

$$ \Rightarrow y_0^2+1 \equiv 0 \pmod p \Rightarrow y_0^2 \equiv -1 \pmod p$$

The equation $Y^2 \equiv -1 \pmod p$ has a solution $\Leftrightarrow \left( \frac{-1}{p} \right)=1 \Leftrightarrow p \equiv 1 \pmod 4$

Therefore:

$$y_0^2 \equiv -1 \pmod p \text{ has no solution}.$$If we would conclude from this relation: $ \left ( \frac{-1}{p} \right )=1$ that $p \equiv 3 \pmod 4$, would we conclude that the diophantine equation has at least one solution? (Thinking)
 
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That is not necessary, no. Even if $-1$ was a quadratic residue modulo $p$, the equation would have been only true modulo $p$. (For example, $2 = 5$ modulo $3$, but $2 \neq 5$ in general :p)
 
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Not entirely on topic, but I'll add another proof I am familiar with.

Assume that $x$ is even. Then $x^3 = 0 \pmod{8}$. Thus $y^2 = x^3 + 7 = 7 = -1 \pmod{8}$, but this is impossible, hence $x$ is odd. Thus $x$ is either $1$ or $3$ modulo $4$.

$$y^2 + 1 = x^3 + 8 = (x + 2)(x^2 - 2x + 4)$$

$y^2 + 1$ is not divisible by any prime $3 \bmod 4$, thus the right hand side is also not divisible by any prime $3 \bmod 4$. In particular, $x + 2$ is not $3 \bmod 4$ (this is because any $3 \bmod 4$ integer must have at least one $3 \bmod 4$ prime factor) and thus is $1 \bmod 4$. Hence $x = 3 \mod 4$ in which case $x^2 - 2x + 4 = 9 - 6 + 4 = 7 = 3 \pmod{4}$ which implies there is a prime factor $p = 3 \pmod{4}$ dividing $x^2 - 2x + 4$, a contradiction $\blacksquare$
 
mathbalarka said:
Not entirely on topic, but I'll add another proof I am familiar with.

Assume that $x$ is even. Then $x^3 = 0 \pmod{8}$. Thus $y^2 = x^3 + 7 = 7 = -1 \pmod{8}$, but this is impossible, hence $x$ is odd. Thus $x$ is either $1$ or $3$ modulo $4$.

$$y^2 + 1 = x^3 + 8 = (x + 2)(x^2 - 2x + 4)$$

$y^2 + 1$ is not divisible by any prime $3 \bmod 4$, thus the right hand side is also not divisible by any prime $3 \bmod 4$. In particular, $x + 2$ is not $3 \bmod 4$ (this is because any $3 \bmod 4$ integer must have at least one $3 \bmod 4$ prime factor) and thus is $1 \bmod 4$. Hence $x = 3 \mod 4$ in which case $x^2 - 2x + 4 = 9 - 6 + 4 = 7 = 3 \pmod{4}$ which implies there is a prime factor $p = 3 \pmod{4}$ dividing $x^2 - 2x + 4$, a contradiction $\blacksquare$

We know that $x$ is odd, so it is of the form $2k+1$.

Therefore:

$$x+2=2k+1+2=2k+3$$

  • $k=2m+1: x+2=2(2m+1)+3=4m+5 \equiv 1 \pmod 4 \Rightarrow x \equiv 3 \pmod 4$
  • $ k=2m: x+2=4m+3 \equiv 3 \pmod 4 \Rightarrow x \equiv 1 \pmod 4$

How do we conclude that $x \equiv 3 \pmod 4$ ? (Thinking)
 
evinda said:
How do we conclude that $x \equiv 3 \pmod 4$ ?(Thinking)

Right, so you have (correctly (Yes)) concluded that $x$ is either $1$ or $3$ modulo $4$.

Now, assume $x = 1 \pmod 4$. Then $x + 2 = 3 \pmod 4$. In that case, $y^2 + 1$ is divisible by some number $3 \pmod 4$. The fact I have used for contradiction is

Claim : Any integer of the form $a^2 + b^2$ is not divisible by any integer $n$ of the form 3 mod 4.

Can you try to prove this claim?
 

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