Write inverse, converse, and contrapositive following statement

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical concepts of inverse, converse, and contrapositive statements, specifically applied to the conditional statement involving inequalities. Participants seek to clarify how to construct these forms based on a given mathematical statement and explore the implications of each form.

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  • Post #1 requests help in writing the inverse, converse, and contrapositive of a specific mathematical statement involving inequalities.
  • Post #2 suggests that the original poster may not understand the definitions of these statements and recommends reviewing definitions from textbooks or online resources.
  • Post #3 provides a general structure for identifying the converse, contrapositive, and inverse of a conditional statement.
  • Post #4 agrees with the structure provided in Post #3 but emphasizes the need to apply it to the specific statement given in Post #1.
  • Post #5 reiterates the definitions of the statement, converse, inverse, and contrapositive, and poses a question about the method of solving the problem.
  • Post #6 clarifies the expressions for p and q from the original statement and reiterates the need to write the inverse, converse, and contrapositive using these expressions.
  • Post #7 questions the correctness of a proposed converse and seeks clarification on identifying the contrapositive and inverse.
  • Post #8 confirms the correctness of the converse and provides guidance on how to derive the contrapositive and inverse, including the application of De Morgan's laws for negation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the definitions of the inverse, converse, and contrapositive, but there is some uncertainty regarding the application of these definitions to the specific mathematical statement. The discussion remains unresolved as participants continue to seek clarification and confirm their understanding.

Contextual Notes

There is a reliance on the correct interpretation of logical statements and mathematical inequalities, with some participants expressing confusion about the implications of negation and the application of De Morgan's laws. The discussion does not resolve these uncertainties.

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Write the inverse, converse, and contrapositive of the following statement:

upside down A x E R, if (x + 2) (x - 3) > 0, then x < -2 or x > 3

Indicate which among the statement, its converse, its inverse, and its contrapositive are true and which are false. Give a conterexample for each that is false.

Please help me with this math problem because I am totally lost and don't understand it at all.
 
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My guess is that you don't know the definitions of these types of statements. Why don't you start by reading about them in your textbook or Wikipedia? Note that in constructing the inverse, converse, and contrapositive you are supposed to leave the universal quantifier alone and just change the implication. For example, the converse of $\forall x\,(P(x)\to Q(x))$ is $\forall x\,(Q(x)\to P(x))$.

In plain text, you can write "for all" for ∀ and "in" for ∈.
 
Doesn't the converse, contrapositive, and Inverse as follows:

q arrow p is the converse of p arrow q

slash bar q arrow slash bar p is the contrapositive of p arrow q

slash bar p arrow slash bar q is the inverse of p arrow q
 
Yes, this is correct. But you need to write inverse, etc., for the concrete statement given in post #1.

I suggest using notations from https://driven2services.com/staging/mh/index.php?posts/26281/.
 
Is another way of saying this as follows:

Statement: if p then q

Converse: if q then p

Inverse: if not p then not q

Contrapositive: if not q then not p

Statement:

upside down A x E R, if (x + 2) (x -3) > 0, then x < -2 or x > 3

So

p : if (x + 2) (x - 3) > 0

q: x < -2 V x > 3

Am I suppose to solve this problem like an inequality or algebraic equation?
 
Joystar1977 said:
Statement:

upside down A x E R, if (x + 2) (x -3) > 0, then x < -2 or x > 3

So

p : if (x + 2) (x - 3) > 0
No "if".

Joystar1977 said:
q: x < -2 V x > 3
Correct.

Joystar1977 said:
Am I suppose to solve this problem like an inequality or algebraic equation?
No, you are supposed to
Joystar1977 said:
Write the inverse, converse, and contrapositive of the following statement:

upside down A x E R, if (x + 2) (x - 3) > 0, then x < -2 or x > 3
Replace p and q in the statements from the beginning of post #5 by the expressions you found later in that post.

And please use the notation suggestion from post #2:
Evgeny.Makarov said:
In plain text, you can write "for all" for ∀ and "in" for ∈.
 
Is this right for the Converse?

q -> p, or "if q then p" translates to

If x < -2 V x > 3 then (x + 2) (x - 3) > 0

Would one of these be the contrapositive or inverse?

If x > -2 V x < 3 then (x +2) (x-3) < 0

If x > -2 V x < 3 then (x + 2) (x-3) > 0

If x > -2 V x > 3 then (x + 2) (x - 3) > 0

If x > -2 V x > 3 then ( x + 2) (x - 3) < 0
I don't quite understand this because what I see in front of my face is an Inequality
 
Joystar1977 said:
Is this right for the Converse?

q -> p, or "if q then p" translates to

If x < -2 V x > 3 then (x + 2) (x - 3) > 0.
Yes, this is the converse.

Joystar1977 said:
Would one of these be the contrapositive or inverse?

If x > -2 V x < 3 then (x +2) (x-3) < 0

If x > -2 V x < 3 then (x + 2) (x-3) > 0

If x > -2 V x > 3 then (x + 2) (x - 3) > 0

If x > -2 V x > 3 then ( x + 2) (x - 3) < 0
No. As a first try, you could keep the negations. As I said, if you replace p with (x + 2)(x - 3) > 0 and q with x < -2 ∨ x > 3 in ~q -> ~p, you get ~(x < -2 ∨ x > 3) -> ~((x + 2)(x - 3) > 0). Simple, isn't it? Then we can apply simplification and remove negations if we want. Note that ~(x < y) is not (x > y), but (x ≥ y). To figure out ~(x < -2 ∨ x > 3) we apply the De Morgan's law: ~(A ∨ B) = ~A ∧ ~B. Therefore, ~(x < -2 ∨ x > 3) is ~(x < -2) ∧ ~(x > 3), which is x ≥ -2 ∧ x ≤ 3. Some people abbreviate this as -2 ≤ x ≤ 3. Altogether, the contrapositive is (x ≥ -2 ∧ x ≤ 3) -> (x + 2)(x - 3) ≤ 0.
 

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