X-Ray Tube Emission: Wave Particle Duality Explained

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The discussion revolves around the concept of wave-particle duality as it relates to x-ray tube emission and the underlying mechanisms of photon emission during electron deceleration. Participants explore both classical and quantum perspectives, particularly focusing on the nature of emitted photons and their wave-like properties.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the process of free electrons being accelerated through a potential difference and colliding with a material to emit x-rays, questioning how emitted photons can exhibit wave-like properties if they are not classical waves.
  • Another participant asserts that photons possess particle properties and questions the compatibility of this with classical wave theory.
  • A different participant suggests that the emission can be described using classical electromagnetism, particularly in the context of Bremsstrahlung, which may illustrate wave behavior.
  • One participant speculates that the emission might consist of a continuous spectrum made up of separate pulses of varying wavelengths.
  • Another participant clarifies that a classical description does not necessarily imply a continuous spectrum, noting that discrete wavelengths can arise in certain contexts, such as waveguides.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of emitted photons and the implications of classical versus quantum descriptions. There is no consensus on how to reconcile these perspectives, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference concepts such as Bremsstrahlung and Quantum Electrodynamics, indicating a reliance on specific definitions and assumptions that may not be universally agreed upon. The discussion also reflects varying interpretations of wave-particle duality.

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In a lecture today our lecturer illustrated the idea of wave particle duality and gave some experiments that show evidence for the particle side of things. Namely photoelectric and x-ray tube.
If I get this right the basic idea is that free electrons are accelerated through a potential difference to high speeds then collide with a screen of some material. This material decelerates the electrons causing x-ray emission.
What I don't quite get is that how can the emitted photon have wave like properties if it isn't a wave in the classical sense as surely the charge is not oscillating. Wouldnt the deceleration of a charge just cause a bump or small pulse in the EM field. Can a short pulse be taken to be a wave and how can you measure properties like frequency of such a wave.

Alex

PS. I wasnt sure where to post this classical/quantum sorry ;)
 
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But the photon clearly have particle properties aswell, can you combine that into the classical wave theory?

The electron is not continuous decreasing, it is losing photons in discrete steps, according to Quantum Electrodynamics, on "microscopic" scales of course =)
 
twinsen said:
In a lecture today our lecturer illustrated the idea of wave particle duality and gave some experiments that show evidence for the particle side of things. Namely photoelectric and x-ray tube.
If I get this right the basic idea is that free electrons are accelerated through a potential difference to high speeds then collide with a screen of some material. This material decelerates the electrons causing x-ray emission.
What I don't quite get is that how can the emitted photon have wave like properties if it isn't a wave in the classical sense as surely the charge is not oscillating. Wouldnt the deceleration of a charge just cause a bump or small pulse in the EM field. Can a short pulse be taken to be a wave and how can you measure properties like frequency of such a wave.

Alex

PS. I wasnt sure where to post this classical/quantum sorry ;)

I think (and I'm only guessing here) that your teacher is trying to illustrate the fact that "breaking radiation" or Bremsstrahlung can easily be described using classical E&M, and thus, makes it a "wave" behavior. It isn't something I would do, but it would be something I won't find difficult to understand why he/she would use it in this way.

Zz.
 
Yer that sounds like what we were doing.

Ah so the emission is more of a continuous spectrum is this built out of lots of separate pulses of differing wavelength?

Alex
 
twinsen said:
Yer that sounds like what we were doing.

Ah so the emission is more of a continuous spectrum is this built out of lots of separate pulses of differing wavelength?

Alex

Classical description doesn't necessary imply a continuous spectrum. For example, a waveguide can be accurately described with straightforward wave picture, and you get discrete wavelengths (frequencies) in there. It is just that in Bremsstrahlung, you can apply the "accelerating" (or in this case, decelerating) charge description from classical E&M, which of course, is based on the wave description of E&M radiation.

Zz.
 

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