X''(t) required for reciprocal of X'(t) to be constant

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The discussion revolves around the conditions under which the reciprocal of the integral of a function representing download speed remains constant over time. Participants explore the relationship between download speed, acceleration, and remaining time in the context of a download process.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the negative acceleration required for the estimated time left of a download to remain constant, given the relationship between speed, time, and acceleration.
  • Another participant asserts that for the reciprocal of the integral of the download speed function to be constant, the download rate must be zero, presenting a mathematical derivation to support this claim.
  • A subsequent participant questions whether there exists a function whose derivative approaches zero at a rate that keeps the reciprocal of the integral constant until it reaches zero, suggesting the possibility of solutions over certain intervals.
  • Another participant critiques the initial differential equation proposed, suggesting that it is incorrect and presents two alternative possibilities for modeling the remaining download time based on different assumptions about the download rate.
  • The first alternative suggests that the download will asymptotically approach completion, leading to a specific differential equation and solution for the download rate.
  • The second alternative proposes a different approach to estimating remaining time based on average download rate, leading to another differential equation and solution for the download rate.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of the initial differential equation and the conditions under which the reciprocal of the integral can remain constant. Multiple competing models and interpretations of the problem are presented, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not reached consensus on the correct formulation of the differential equation or the conditions necessary for the reciprocal of the integral to be constant. There are assumptions about the nature of the download rate and its behavior over time that remain unexamined.

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Hey all, was watching my downloads today and saw that my download speed was dropping at such a rate that the eta of the download was almost constant, so I was wondering what negative acceleration would be required for the eta to be constant, if time left is size/speed, speed is first derivative of time and
acceleration is second derivative of time what acceleration is needed for time left to be constant? So a function where 1/integral( f(x) ) = c Any help appreciated.
 
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The download rate has to be zero.
\begin{align*}
\frac{1}{\int_0^t f(u)\,du}&=C\\
\frac{1}{C}&=\int_0^t f(u)\,du\\
\frac{d}{dt}\frac{1}{C}&=\frac{d}{dt}\int_0^t f(u)\,du\\
0&=f(t)
\end{align*}
 
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Thanks, 0 is a solution but is there no f'(t) for f(t) where f(t) will approach zero at a rate that 1/integral (f(t)) is constant until it approaches 0? Or perhaps for a certain interval?
 
The differential equation is wrong. If we write the correct DE then there are nonzero solutions. There are two possibilities that occur to me:

Possibility 1: remaining time R is estimated as size of remaining download, divided by current download rate. Assume total download size is S, f(t) is the instantaneous download rate at time t, and R is the estimated remaining time, which is constant. Then the download will never complete, only asymptotically approaching completeness, and we require that ##S=\int_0^\infty f(t)\,dt##. So our DE is

$$R = \frac{S-\int_0^\infty f(t)\,dt}{f(t)}$$

This is easily manipulated to a simple, standard DE, whose solution is ##f(t)=\frac{S}{R}e^{-\frac{t}{R}}##.

Possibility 2: remaining time is estimated as remaining download, divided by average download rate so far. Then the DE is:

$$R=\frac{S-\int_0^\infty f(t)\,dt}{\left(\int_0^\infty f(t)\,dt\right)\ /\ t}$$

We can re-arrange this and express it as

$$(R+t)F(t)=St$$

where ##F(t)\equiv\int_0^t f(u)\,du##.

That has solution ##F(t)=C-\frac{SR}{t+R}##, whence ##f(t)=SR(t+R)^{-2}##.
 
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My many obligations, thank you so much.
 

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