XENON1T and possible dark energy detection

In summary: The signal is not consistent with the predictions of any one model of new physics.3. The signal is too weak to be produced by current experimental capabilities.4. The signal could be due to astrophysical processes unrelated to new physics.5. The signal could be an artefact of the analysis.6. The signal could be a result of systematic errors in the data.7. The signal could be evidence for dark matter.8. The signal could be evidence for dark energy.9. The signal could be evidence for a new form of radiation.10. The signal could be evidence for a new form of matter.In summary,
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New research from the XENON1T collaboration suggests an unexpected result
I can't see that this recent news has been discussed on PF, but the XENON1T dark matter detection collaboration is now suggesting that it has instead detected dark energy. They openly note speculation about what may have caused these results in the paper, but I'm more wondering if it adds weight to the hypothesis that dark matter and dark energy are potentially two manifestations of the same underlying mechanism?

https://journals.aps.org/prd/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevD.104.063023
 
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Melbourne Guy said:
but I'm more wondering if it adds weight to the hypothesis that dark matter and dark energy are potentially two manifestations of the same underlying mechanism?
I wasn't aware that there was such a hypothesis.
 
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Granted, I'm not the intended audience for Phys. Rev. D, and, I didn't read the paper, but...

Is this paper really about a result? The only reference in the abstract to a result is buried at the end of a string of "We explore the prospects for...", "...presenting the possibility that these experiments could...", "...we examine whether...". Finally, at the end, they say "This raises the tantalizing possibility that XENON1T may have achieved the first direct detection of dark energy."

OK; or it may not have. I'm having a flashback to superluminal neutrinos.

That might be the worst paper abstract I've ever read. I understand that they won't write like journalists, but they could steal a few tricks from them.
 
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PeroK said:
I wasn't aware that there was such a hypothesis.
I've seen a couple of papers suggesting this recently (as in, last six months), @PeroK, but only incidentally and I did not think to bookmark them. They were trying to interpret experimental dark matter results and offered a 'two sides of the same coin' explanation, which is certainly not common from my reading of 'dark'. If I can hunt them down, I'll add them in.

DaveE said:
I'm having a flashback to superluminal neutrinos.
Yes, instrument error rather than the Sun's tachocline creating dark energy is the more likely cause, and I've seen suggestion that this is an effect of tritium in the xenon tank.

DaveE said:
That might be the worst paper abstract I've ever read.
We all have our skills, but I'm not sure English is the first language of the authors :wink: I'm good with words, but still find the majority of abstracts impenetrable, and wonder whether anyone not in the field really understands the acronym-laden, jargon-ridden things?
 
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Any "New Physics" findings based upon the anomalous results from the XENON1T experiment should not be taken seriously.

It is known that there were material sources of background noise that were ignored in the XENON1T data analysis that could have impacted the result. And, the experimental apparatus was dismantled before it was possible to analyze it in order to determine if those ignored background sources were creating false positives that looked like New Physics.

Alas, we can't test the most plausible "no new physics" hypothesis of tritium contamination. Why not (The block quote is from an interview with an author in the NY Times; emphasis mine)?
There might have been undetected traces of radioactive tritium (a version of hydrogen with two neutrons) in XENON1T, causing the surrounding liquid to sparkle. The XENON team worked hard to avoid this sort of noise from the beginning, Martens said. Still, he said, the tiny levels of tritium in question here would be impossible to perfectly screen out. And with XENON1T now taken apart to build a bigger future experiment, it’s impossible to go back and check.
The tritium hypothesis fits the data to a confidence level of 3.2 sigma. Joey Neilsen, a physicist at Villanova University in Pennsylvania, who is not involved in XENON, said that corresponds to about a 1 in 700 chance that random fluctuations would have produced the signal.
The half-life of tritium is 12.3 years. The experiment ran for roughly two years.As Jester (a.k.a. Adam Falkowski) at his Resonances blog explained (emphasis mine):
Experience has shown again and again that anomalies in new physics searches have, with a very large confidence, a mundane origin that does not involve exotic particles or interactions. In this case, possible explanations are, in order of likelihood, 1) small contamination of the detector, 2) some other instrumental effect that the collaboration hasn't thought of, 3) the ghost of Roberto Peccei [ed. the theorist who proposed the axion and died shortly before the results were announced], 4) a genuine signal of new physics.
In fact, the collaboration itself is hedging for the first option, as they cannot exclude the presence of a small amount of tritium in the detector, which would produce a signal similar to the observed excess. Moreover, there are a few orange flags for the new physics interpretation:
1. Simplest models explaining the excess are excluded by astrophysical observations. If axions can be produced in the Sun at the rate suggested by the XENON result, they can be produced at even larger rates in hotter stars, e.g. in red giants or white dwarfs. This would lead to excessive cooling of these stars, in conflict with observations. The upper limit on the axion-electron coupling from red giants is 3*10^-13, which is an order of magnitude less than what is needed for the XENON excess. The neutrino magnetic moment explanations faces a similar difficulty. Of course, astrophysical limits reside in a different epistemological reality; it is not unheard of that they are relaxed by an order of magnitude or disappear completely. But certainly this is something to worry about.
2. At a more psychological level, a small excess over a large background near a detection threshold... sounds familiar. We've seen that before in the case of the DAMA and CoGeNT dark matter experiments, at it didn't turn out well.

Its results remain reliable to the extent that it ruled out New Physics (since those results would merely be weakened by false positives). But, some or all of its results that have been attributed to beyond the Standard Model physics were almost surely false positives. So, it is useless for purpose of proving the existence of New Physics.
 
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ohwilleke said:
And, the experimental apparatus was dismantled
I did not realize that, @ohwilleke, do you know if that's common for such experiments?

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Its results remain reliable to the extent that it ruled out New Physics (since those results would merely be weakened by false positives).
Do you mean regarding dark matter?

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So, it is useless for purpose of proving the existence of New Physics.
Agreed, though I did not expect it to have proved anything new. Suggest something new, that's possible, surely.
 
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I did not realize that, @ohwilleke, do you know if that's common for such experiments?
I don't know, but I think this was sooner than would be typical.
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Do you mean regarding dark matter?
Dark matter would be one possible New Physics explanation, but not the only one. There are something like a dozen different proposed beyond the Standard Model explanations of the reported excesses over background.
Melbourne Guy said:
Agreed, though I did not expect it to have proved anything new. Suggest something new, that's possible, surely.
FWIW, I'm using the term "proved" in the weak, colloquial sense of provide credible positive evidence supporting something new, not in the strong sense of established as scientific law with replicated five sigma evidence supported by a plausible physics based explanation.
 
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1. What is XENON1T and what is its purpose?

XENON1T is a scientific experiment conducted at the Gran Sasso National Laboratory in Italy. Its purpose is to search for dark matter, a type of matter that is believed to make up about 85% of the total matter in the universe.

2. How does XENON1T detect dark matter?

XENON1T uses a large tank filled with liquid xenon, a type of noble gas. When a dark matter particle passes through the tank, it may interact with the xenon atoms, causing them to emit a tiny flash of light. This light is then picked up by sensitive detectors, allowing scientists to study the properties of the dark matter particle.

3. Has XENON1T detected any dark matter particles?

As of now, XENON1T has not detected any dark matter particles. However, the experiment has set the most stringent limits on the interaction between dark matter and ordinary matter, providing valuable insights for future research.

4. What is the significance of XENON1T's recent results on possible dark energy detection?

XENON1T's recent results have sparked excitement in the scientific community as they may provide evidence for the existence of a new type of dark matter particle. If confirmed, this could have major implications for our understanding of the universe and could potentially lead to a better understanding of dark energy, the mysterious force believed to be responsible for the expansion of the universe.

5. What are the next steps for XENON1T and dark matter research?

XENON1T is currently being upgraded to its next phase, XENONnT, which will have an even larger tank of liquid xenon and more sensitive detectors. This will allow for even more precise measurements and potentially the detection of dark matter particles. In addition, there are numerous other experiments and collaborations around the world working towards the same goal of understanding dark matter and its role in the universe.

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