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The discussion revolves around the concepts of K and L waves in the context of Moseley's work on atomic numbers and X-ray emissions. Participants seek to clarify the nature of K and L lines, their significance in atomic transitions, and how they relate to the structure of atomic electrons.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants explain that K and L lines correspond to specific atomic transitions, with K electrons being the most tightly bound and L electrons being one energy level above.
  • One participant notes that the understanding of atomic electrons during Moseley's time was limited compared to later developments, indicating a historical context for the discussion.
  • Another participant describes the K and L structure as related to Bohr's electronic shell model, suggesting a connection between the energy levels and the emitted radiation.
  • There is a request for analogies or conceptual frameworks to better understand K and L waves, indicating a desire for more intuitive explanations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding K and L waves, with some seeking further clarification and analogies. There is no consensus on a singular explanation or analogy that satisfactorily addresses all participants' questions.

Contextual Notes

Some statements reflect historical limitations in the understanding of atomic physics at the time of Moseley and Bohr, and the discussion includes references to the Bohr model, which may not fully encompass modern interpretations of atomic structure.

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This discussion may be useful for amateur physicists, students exploring atomic theory, and individuals interested in the historical development of atomic models and X-ray physics.

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Hi, I am an amateur to physics, am trying to understand what Mosely actually did when he used 'K' and 'L' waves to derive atomic numbers of elements.

Can someone please tell me what exactly the 'K' and 'L' waves are, respectively?

What is a 'K' wave and what does it measure?
What is a 'L' wave and what does it measure?

THANKS !
 
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The K and L lines refer to certain atomic transitions. K electrons are the most tightly bound electrons in atoms. When a K electron is knocked off from an atom and the hole left behind is filled by an electron from a higher energy level radiation corresponding to the energy difference is emitted. When an electron is knocked off from one energy level above the K electrons (called L ) and the hole is filled with an electron from an energy level above L you get the L lines. The energies of the emission lines are element specific and depend on the atomic numbers.

I don't know how clear I was being since I don't know your background but feel free to ask further questions.
 
1. The physics of the atomic electron was not very well understood at Moseley's (and Bohr's) time (not nearly as well as it was, about 50 years after), though it was a significant leap forward from previous knowledge.

2. The K, L ,... structure is nothing but the n=1,2,... electronic shell description provided by Bohr (published a couple or so years before Moseley published his experimental results). These numbers loosely translate to the ratio between the circumference of each Bohr orbit and the wavelength of the electron in that orbit.

3. [itex]K_{\alpha }, K_{\beta }, ...[/itex] are designations for characteristic x-rays emitted by an electron dropping down through, 1,2,... levels to reach the K-shell. A similar notation is used for the other shells.
 
XRAY Question - Inha

thank you very much for your reply! So then K and L are simply physical positions of displacement?

inha said:
The K and L lines refer to certain atomic transitions. K electrons are the most tightly bound electrons in atoms. When a K electron is knocked off from an atom and the hole left behind is filled by an electron from a higher energy level radiation corresponding to the energy difference is emitted. When an electron is knocked off from one energy level above the K electrons (called L ) and the hole is filled with an electron from an energy level above L you get the L lines. The energies of the emission lines are element specific and depend on the atomic numbers.

I don't know how clear I was being since I don't know your background but feel free to ask further questions.
 
Gokul43201 - XRAY QUESTION

Thank you for your reply, very helpful and informative. I believe I understood most of what you described below but am still a bit fuzzy on the overall concept...

Gokul, is there any sort of similar 'thing' to a K or L in nature, some sort of analogy to understand it better by, or if we were working with a simple type of geometry or physical mechanism, how might they be conceptualized... any ideas?


Gokul43201 said:
1. The physics of the atomic electron was not very well understood at Moseley's (and Bohr's) time (not nearly as well as it was, about 50 years after), though it was a significant leap forward from previous knowledge.

2. The K, L ,... structure is nothing but the n=1,2,... electronic shell description provided by Bohr (published a couple or so years before Moseley published his experimental results). These numbers loosely translate to the ratio between the circumference of each Bohr orbit and the wavelength of the electron in that orbit.

3. [itex]K_{\alpha }, K_{\beta }, ...[/itex] are designations for characteristic x-rays emitted by an electron dropping down through, 1,2,... levels to reach the K-shell. A similar notation is used for the other shells.
 
zarkorgon said:
Gokul, is there any sort of similar 'thing' to a K or L in nature, some sort of analogy to understand it better by, or if we were working with a simple type of geometry or physical mechanism, how might they be conceptualized... any ideas?
Start here: http://www.colorado.edu/physics/2000/quantumzone/bohr.html

Click the NEXT button at the bottom of the page when you complete it. At the end of the discussion on Bohr orbits (at about the third page), you'll see a link to X-rays - follow that link.
 
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