Your professor was right, Klaatu says. At the precipice, we change.

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The discussion revolves around the concept of societal change in response to perceived crises, with participants debating the existence and implications of such a precipice. The scope includes economic, political, and social perspectives, touching on issues like government debt, resource management, and public perception.

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Main Points Raised

  • Klaatu suggests that significant change occurs at critical junctures, referred to as a "precipice."
  • One participant argues that there is no current precipice, citing stable oil supply, food exports, and government spending without inflation.
  • Another participant questions the implications of $14 trillion in federal debt, suggesting it indicates a future crisis.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the urgency of the situation, with one stating that the average person may not perceive the looming issues until it's too late.
  • Concerns are raised about the disconnect between government actions and individual expectations regarding federal support and services.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether society is at a precipice and the significance of current economic indicators. There is no consensus on the urgency or implications of the discussed issues.

Contextual Notes

Participants' arguments depend on varying interpretations of economic stability, government responsibility, and societal awareness, with some points remaining cryptic or underexplored.

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"Your professor was right," Klaatu says. "At the precipice, we change."

Your thoughts, professor.
 
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Necessity is the mother of invention. I do not see that we are at any precipice.

1) oil still have to go through the rationing phase, not there yet
2) food the US exports, all good there
3) federal government spending, no issue yet, no inflation in sight

What precipice do you see?
 


PhilKravitz said:
3) federal government spending, no issue yet, no inflation in sight

$14T in total debt and no plans to pay it back aren't an issue for you?
 


That just means we're headed towards the precipice. We're not at it yet.
 


Perception is the mother of all inventions.
 


mugaliens, would you please make your point explicitly. This is far too cryptic.
 


The average person: "Eh, what could possibly happen? Maybe a few billion will be stuck in cyclic poverty and malnutrition, but does that affect me?"

Later: "Oh no, I wish I could change everything. However, I cannot. Instead of doing something productive to remedy the situation, I will whine about it all the way to the apocalypse."
 


Ivan Seeking said:
mugaliens, would you please make your point explicitly. This is far too cryptic.
"Barada nikto" seemed to work for Klaatu. But then, nobody's sure what it means.
 


Mech_Engineer said:
$14T in total debt and no plans to pay it back aren't an issue for you?

Let's see
1) I do not own any federal debt paper
2) I am not expecting a pension from the federal government
3) I am not expecting social security (and am livid about that)
4) I am not expecting medicare (and am livid about that)
5) I am not expecting a military pension

So why should I care about white collar theft on the part of the federal government? I am much more concerned about the mass murders committed by the federal government in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc.

I am a member of the Religious Society of Friends (i.e. Quakers).
 

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