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News Donald Trump: What Do the Scientists Say?

  1. Sep 22, 2016 #1

    Rio Larsen

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    Donald Trump is a candidate running in the 2016 POTUS race. On 9/20/2016, 375 scientists signed an open letter regarding Donald Trump. I think it's interesting to read, since personally I do not see Trump as a viable candidate and the open letter addresses climate change and the United States. Scientists who have signed the letter include former Professor E.O. Wilson of Harvard University, Stephen Hawking of Cambridge University, and more.

    News Article:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/scientists-donald-trump_us_57e1ac04e4b0e80b1b9eda3d

    Open Letter:
    http://responsiblescientists.org/

    I think I agree mostly with the Huffington Post article, save for one contention. In the article, it states that, "The Republican presidential nominee, who once claimed global warming is a hoax 'created by and for the Chinese' . . . " However, Trump has mentioned that his tweet was not entirely serious (CNN video). I don't believe that the mentioning of his claim without the mentioning of his statement of facetiousness is entirely honest. It seems that he is skeptical of climate change, but was facetious when stating that it was China who invented it.



    Transcript (2:40):

    Tapper: "Um, back, uh, in 2012, you tweeted quote, 'The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive.'"

    Trump: "Well, of course I'm being sarcastic, you know, I mean I love to—"

    Tapper: "That's not to be taken seriously?"

    Trump: "No, it's a little bit serious. There's a little bit of seriousness there."

    What are your opinions of the article? What are your opinions of the open letter?
     
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  3. Sep 22, 2016 #2

    phinds

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    Then you have not been paying attention to what is going on. Frighteningly enough, he is a VERY viable candidate (in terms of getting elected). Beyond that I can't say much about Trump without violating the forum rules on language and courtesy.
     
  4. Sep 22, 2016 #3

    Rio Larsen

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    Of course I know that Trump has a good chance of being elected, I guess I need to work on my word choice. When I said that he's not "viable," I mean I don't believe his policies would be for the better of the United States.

    I'll be careful to use better word choice next time.
     
  5. Sep 22, 2016 #4

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    That's a good idea on this forum. Scientific questions and discussions depend on precision of language so folks around here are more sensitive to that than the average social media forum
     
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  6. Sep 22, 2016 #5

    Rio Larsen

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    I have noticed. At least (most?) people write with tact.
     
  7. Sep 22, 2016 #6
    I would assume there be few serious scientists that would support Trump. Is this really news? Can anyone point to a top scientist who openly supports Trump?
     
  8. Sep 22, 2016 #7

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    Can anyone point to one who supported Romney?
     
  9. Sep 22, 2016 #8
    Most all top universities in the US are extremely liberal. I doubt that anyone in that environment who supported Trump would openly admit it.
     
  10. Sep 22, 2016 #9

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    Sorry, but posts in this forum have to be actual recent news events (if your post was deleted).
     
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  11. Sep 22, 2016 #10

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    "The letter warns that the consequences of opting out of the Paris agreement would be severe and long-lasting for our planet’s climate and for the international credibility of the United States." --- from the OP.

    Can anyone point to a "top scientist" who supports Clinton? Or Sanders? Or Gary Johnson? Or Jill Stein?
     
  12. Sep 23, 2016 #11

    Rio Larsen

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    This is the first time I have posted this thread. I haven't deleted anything.
     
  13. Sep 23, 2016 #12

    phinds

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    Then she was not addressing you and you need not have responded.
     
  14. Sep 24, 2016 #13
    Again, and this is my personal opinion, here is a good opportunity to separate the wheat from the chaff when it comes to broad understanding of world affairs. Donald Trump knows next to nothing about them and, more importantly, doesn't care. That's the rub. But go ahead and vote your conscience, Bystander.
     
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  15. Sep 24, 2016 #14

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    My conscience? Leave the office vacant.
     
  16. Sep 24, 2016 #15

    Rio Larsen

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    I try to not generalize (anymore). A lot of people I know (whose names I will not disclose) support/will vote for Trump because of their unfavorable views on Clinton, but still view Trump unfavorably. While I believe that it's still a bad reason--a candidate should stand on his/her own merits rather than someone else's downfalls--it's different than supporting his policies. If you did vote for Trump because you agreed with most (or all) of his policies, though, I might give you a funny look unless/until you gave me good reasons (those backed with empirical evidence) to support his positions.
     
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  17. Sep 26, 2016 #16

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    This thread is devolving into personal comments to other PF members and is getting off track.

    EDIT: I see the problem solved after thread was closed for a bit
     
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  18. Sep 29, 2016 #17
    This scientist says Trump is a moron. However, I think the moron would make a better president than his opponent. I'm just PO'd that I have to make a choice between a lying, power greedy, narcissist, and a lying, mysogonistic, xenophobic narcissist.
     
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