-z.60 Find the vector perpendicular to the plane PQR

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding a vector perpendicular to the plane defined by the points P(2,1,3), Q(1,1,2), and R(2,2,1). The scope includes mathematical reasoning and vector calculations related to geometry in three-dimensional space.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Post 1 presents a calculation of vectors PQ and PR, followed by the cross product to find a vector perpendicular to the plane, resulting in the vector i - 2j - k.
  • Post 1 also questions the origin of the factor $\frac{1}{\sqrt{6}}$ in the book's answer, noting the calculation of the magnitude of the resulting vector.
  • Post 2 reiterates the uncertainty regarding the factor $\frac{1}{\sqrt{6}}$, clarifying that it represents the unit vector perpendicular to the plane.
  • Post 3 emphasizes that there are infinitely many vectors perpendicular to a plane, including two unit vectors that are negatives of each other.
  • Post 4 restates the infinite nature of perpendicular vectors and acknowledges the book's answer as a unit vector.
  • Post 5 provides a link, but its relevance to the discussion is unclear.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the existence of multiple vectors perpendicular to the plane, but there is no consensus on the necessity or interpretation of the unit vector factor $\frac{1}{\sqrt{6}}$ in the context of the problem.

Contextual Notes

There is a lack of clarity regarding the definitions of "vector perpendicular to the plane" versus "unit vector perpendicular to the plane," which may affect interpretations of the problem.

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$\textsf{Find the vector perpendicular to the plane PQR
determined by the points}$
\begin{align*}\displaystyle
&P(2,1,3), \, Q(1,1,2), \, R(2,2,1)\\ \end{align*}
$$\textbf{ solution:}$$
\begin{align*}\displaystyle
\vec{PQ}&=(1-2)i+(1-1)J+(2-3)k=&-i-k\\
\vec{PR}&=(2-2)i+(2-1)j+(1-3)k=&j-2k
\end{align*}

\begin{align*}\displaystyle
\vec{PQ} \times \vec{PR}&=
\begin{vmatrix}
i&j&k\\-1&0&-1\\0&1&-2
\end{vmatrix}\\
&=
\begin{vmatrix}
0&-1\\1&-2
\end{vmatrix}i-
\begin{vmatrix}
-1&-1\\0&-2
\end{vmatrix}j-
\begin{vmatrix}
-1&0\\0&1
\end{vmatrix}k\\
&=(0+1)i-(2+0)j+(-1+0)k\\
&=i-2j-k\\
%&=\\
\text{book answer}&=\frac{1}{\sqrt{6}}(i-2j-k)
\end{align*}

ok I don't know where the $\displaystyle \frac{1}{\sqrt{6}}$ comes from

just that $\displaystyle\sqrt{1^2+2^2+1^1} = \sqrt{6}$
 
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karush said:
ok I don't know where the $\displaystyle \frac{1}{\sqrt{6}}$ comes from

just that $\displaystyle\sqrt{1^2+2^2+1^1} = \sqrt{6}$

the book answer is just the unit vector perpendicular to the plane
 
Your problem says "find the vector perpendicular to the plane". But there are an infinite number of vectors perpendicular to a given plane. There are, in fact, two unit vectors perpendicular to the given plane, one the negative of the other.
 
HallsofIvy said:
Your problem says "find the vector perpendicular to the plane". But there are an infinite number of vectors perpendicular to a given plane. There are, in fact, two unit vectors perpendicular to the given plane, one the negative of the other.

ok its

Find a unit vector perpendicular to the plane [FONT=MathJax_SansSerif]PQR determined by the points
$\begin{align*}\displaystyle &P(2,1,3), \, Q(1,1,2), \, R(2,2,1)
\end{align*}$

$\text{book answer}=\frac{1}{\sqrt{6}}(i-2j-k)$


 
https://dl.orangedox.com/SNILuKcDnZqpqsUsH1
 

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